The impeachment of Trump suddenly looks like much more than just a theory

[copiedusername]

Sadly not much will come of this other than the fact he was impeached by the house. However, the senate will not convict. No way enough Republicans are going to cross the aisle. Republicans know this man is corrupt. However they also know that he is the only way he can advance their agenda. It is sad this is just how American Politics work now. No one really has any dignity.
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[TaraJo]

He was impeached. The senate won't take it anywhere, but he was still impeached. Still, it feels almost insignificant. Maybe insignificant isn't the right word, but there are other things that worry me more than whether or not Trump is impeached. I'm more worried about the infrastructure of the party that he climbed to power with and the influence he's had on that party. How he's made them lose all sense of shame. About how he's allowed white nationalist talking points to enter mainstream political discourse. About how their political base takes delight in governing by spite. I worry about the damage he's done to the US on an international level. And even if Trump has a massive heart attack and dies tomorrow, these problems will still be there. Trump is bad, no question there, but there's a problem that goes deeper than him.

[WinterHold]

Sadly not much will come of this other than the fact he was impeached by the house. However, the senate will not convict. No way enough Republicans are going to cross the aisle. Republicans know this man is corrupt. However they also know that he is the only way he can advance their agenda. It is sad this is just how American Politics work now. No one really has any dignity.
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If the CIA gave their report about how Trump knew about the Kashoggi murder before it happened can put his republican supporters in the senate under the hammer and the sickle:

https://time.com/5585281/cia-warned-jama...ssociates/

The CIA was the source of the threat warning, according to an overseas intelligence official, Baghdadi and others involved with the briefings. A CIA spokesperson declined to comment, but the agency has a legal “duty to warn” potential victims of specific threats including murder, kidnapping and serious bodily harm, according to a 2015 directive signed by the Director of National Intelligence. After Khashoggi was killed, the CIA faced criticism for failing to warn him after reportedly learning that the Crown Prince, known as MBS, had issued an earlier order to capture the journalist, who wrote opinion columns for the Washington Post. The CIA later assessed with “medium-to-high confidence” that the Crown Prince ordered his death.

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He was impeached.  The senate won't take it anywhere, but he was still impeached.  Still, it feels almost insignificant.  Maybe insignificant isn't the right word, but there are other things that worry me more than whether or not Trump is impeached.  I'm more worried about the infrastructure of the party that he climbed to power with and the influence he's had on that party.  How he's made them lose all sense of shame.  About how he's allowed white nationalist talking points to enter mainstream political discourse.  About how their political base takes delight in governing by spite.  I worry about the damage he's done to the US on an international level.  And even if Trump has a massive heart attack and dies tomorrow, these problems will still be there.  Trump is bad, no question there, but there's a problem that goes deeper than him.

Trump is a historical character but not in a good way. But in his reign; America literally lost most of its presence and power in the international scene; China and Russia took its place.

[The Grand Nudger]

Russia doesn't have the money to play at the big boys table anymore. China though, yeah. The reality of that situation was one that the trumpsters campaign strategy was built around. That's why we have so many good videos of the president slurring the word like a truncated piece of human anatomy. I wonder if the people who support him fully aware of his failure appreciate how many accidents of history, unlikely to be repeated, helped to put us at the top of the world order. It's not something we can work our way back up to if we lose that spot.

Ask the rest of the worlds former superpowers.

[WinterHold]

Russia doesn't have the money to play at the big boys table anymore.  China though, yeah.  The reality of that situation was one that the trumpsters campaign strategy was built around.  That's why we have so many good videos of the president slurring the word like a truncated piece of human anatomy.  I wonder if the people who support him fully aware of his failure appreciate how many accidents of history, unlikely to be repeated, helped to put us at the top of the world order.  It's not something we can work our way back up to if we lose that spot.  

Ask the rest of the worlds former superpowers.

Even if the Russian economy isn't quite good; their weapon manufacturing is great, if the alliance with China is going well you get a union of superpowers. Ironically; just in the era where the suns of both China and Putin's Russia shined, Trump came to office to hand them an easy victory over his own country.

Believe me on this: empires collapse and fall very fast, and what was built over the decades can be lost in a mere year, especially when a behemoth like the Chinese economy haunts your ass and a thug like Trump rules you.

[The Grand Nudger]

Isn't quite good is being generous. They have less money to work with than an american state and their weapons are absolute garbage. That's why they've gone unconventional. That's what happens when your government is taken over by organized crime. The sun isn't shining on putins russia, it's been crammed directly up some swampy asshole where it can't even see the light of day, lol. That, more than anything, is a picture from our future if we don't correct the course. We don't have an empire to lose. If we did, we could fall back on that. Since we don't, we're pretty much up here in the trapeze with no wires.

Buddying up to russia while antagonizing china is a losers bet. If we have to do some combination of those things, we've got it completely backwards. Makes you wish the president had visited beijing back in the day, instead of moscow. At least we'd have a relevant foreign asset in office, today.

[TaraJo]

Trump is a historical character but not in a good way. But in his reign; America literally lost most of its presence and power in the international scene; China and Russia took its place.

I dunno.  On a global scale, maybe it would be a good thing if America fell.  Our economic system is so backwards compared to the rest of the world and our bloated military budget makes us the scariest boogieman for every other nation on earth, so I can see a lot of people being quite happy if that just went away.

Of course, that's assuming it DID just simply "go away."  The reality is, if we fall too far, we're going to use that bloated military to try to climb back out of our hole and that won't be pretty.  Especially with a commander in chief like Trump.  

I still think the people who put Trump in power are a bigger threat than Trump himself.  I'm a little scared what would happen if they elected someone who is just as extreme but they actually understand politics and diplomacy.

[WinterHold]

Trump is a historical character but not in a good way. But in his reign; America literally lost most of its presence and power in the international scene; China and Russia took its place.

I dunno.  On a global scale, maybe it would be a good thing if America fell.  Our economic system is so backwards compared to the rest of the world and our bloated military budget makes us the scariest boogieman for every other nation on earth, so I can see a lot of people being quite happy if that just went away.

Of course, that's assuming it DID just simply "go away."  The reality is, if we fall too far, we're going to use that bloated military to try to climb back out of our hole and that won't be pretty.  Especially with a commander in chief like Trump.  

I still think the people who put Trump in power are a bigger threat than Trump himself.  I'm a little scared what would happen if they elected someone who is just as extreme but they actually understand politics and diplomacy.

The bloated military budget is by far the most scary aspect about what the U.S might cause.
It leads to the stacking of arms; from small arms up to nuclear weapons.

Those arms won't stay in U.S bases: but they will be periodically used or sold to the highest bidder: even nuclear bombs.

Trump is backed by strong wings -especially the Oligarch wing-, that wing already has Putin and China in its pocket. Imagine the nightmare when dictators like the Sauds hold a nuclear bomb -purchased-.

I think Iran too is in the same pocket especially after the bad scenario we saw yesterday.
After Trump I'm sure other "Trumps" would rain at the White House.

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

If the CIA gave their report about how Trump knew about the Kashoggi murder before it happened can put his republican supporters in the senate under the hammer and the sickle:

No one cares about the Kashoggi murder.  No one cares about the Kashoggi murder.  No one cares about the Kashoggi murder.  No one cares about the Kashoggi murder.  No one cares about the Kashoggi murder.  No one cares about the Kashoggi murder.  No one cares about the Kashoggi murder.  No one cares about the Kashoggi murder.

Boru

[Deesse23]

Those arms won't stay in U.S bases: but they will be periodically used or sold to the highest bidder: even nuclear bombs.

Trump is backed by strong wings -especially the Oligarch wing-, that wing already has Putin and China in its pocket.

The US does not sell weapons from its bases, particularly not nuclear weapons. You are mistaking the US for a banana republic, which it is not (yet).
The armament producing companies however do sell all kinda shit, and the gvernment is quite lenient with the rules of law (not to deliver to crisis regions, etc), because ....pecunia non olet.

Oligarchs dont control Putin, Putin controls Oligarchs, as evidenced by Putin taking away their money or imprisoning them after showcase trials.