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#21
RE: Would you agree?
April 7, 2019 at 3:12 pm
"Objective value" is a contradiction in terms, so I reject the article as meaningless.
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RE: Would you agree?
April 7, 2019 at 3:18 pm (This post was last modified: April 7, 2019 at 3:18 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
Unless the number 1 is a contradiction, that's not the case.  Wink
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: Would you agree?
April 7, 2019 at 3:38 pm (This post was last modified: April 7, 2019 at 4:00 pm by Simon Moon.)
(April 7, 2019 at 9:08 am)joe90 Wrote: Would you agree with the quote below? Why or why not? I pulled it from Conservapedia.org incase you're wondering.


“Humanity is purposeless. You have no value. You’re a meaningless product of a random evolutionary process that initially developed from the spawn of a single-celled organism. The relationships you derive are also meaningless. Everything that you do in this life has no objective value. You’re living day-to-day only to accomplish the goal of mere survival.”

I would not agree.

1. evolution is not random. It is a selection process put on populations of organisms from various environmental pressures.
2. The fact that we are the result of evolutionary processes, does not mean we are purposeless or have no value. It is up to each of us to create our own purpose and value. Not sure why you would think purposelessness would follow from our being a product of evolution?

I really don't understand theists problem with this? Would you allow: your spouse, the university you attend, your career, your hobbies, the destination of vacations, etc, to be directed and chosen for you from external sources? Then why would you allow your purpose to be directed from external sources? This is one of the main things that defines totalitarian regimes.

3. my relationships are not meaningless to me NOW.
4. My goals go way beyond mere survival.

Why do you take care of your car? After all, one day all of it will only be decomposing metal, plastic, rubber, in the ground. The reason people take care of their cars, is because they have some importance to them NOW. What happens to the cars in the future after the car dies, is not important.

You'd believe if you just opened your heart" is a terrible argument for religion. It's basically saying, "If you bias yourself enough, you can convince yourself that this is true." If religion were true, people wouldn't need faith to believe it -- it would be supported by good evidence.
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April 7, 2019 at 3:41 pm (This post was last modified: April 7, 2019 at 3:42 pm by brewer.)
Being told you're delusional does not necessarily mean you're mental. 
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April 7, 2019 at 3:49 pm (This post was last modified: April 7, 2019 at 3:49 pm by BrianSoddingBoru4.)
Quote:A bit of advice: Trolling is a lot like lovemaking...albeit really, really bad lovemaking. 

Yabbut, when you're done trolling, you don't have to walk home alone in the dark.

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RE: Would you agree?
April 7, 2019 at 3:56 pm
(April 7, 2019 at 3:49 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:
Quote:A bit of advice: Trolling is a lot like lovemaking...albeit really, really bad lovemaking. 

Yabbut, when you're done trolling, you don't have to walk home alone in the dark.

Boru

But, unlike lovemaking, you can never get rid of the stink.
Being told you're delusional does not necessarily mean you're mental. 
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April 7, 2019 at 4:03 pm (This post was last modified: April 7, 2019 at 4:05 pm by Angrboda.)
(April 7, 2019 at 9:08 am)joe90 Wrote: Would you agree with the quote below? Why or why not? I pulled it from Conservapedia.org incase you're wondering.


“Humanity is purposeless. You have no value. You’re a meaningless product of a random evolutionary process that initially developed from the spawn of a single-celled organism. The relationships you derive are also meaningless. Everything that you do in this life has no objective value. You’re living day-to-day only to accomplish the goal of mere survival.”

I think it's certainly possible. Is it knowably true? Not at this time. Opinions among professionals and laypersons on these questions vary widely and there is nothing approaching consensus on the matter. So the answer is that we simply don't know. And anyone that claims they do is likely simply peddling a privately held or minority held view.


(April 7, 2019 at 3:49 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:
Quote:A bit of advice: Trolling is a lot like lovemaking...albeit really, really bad lovemaking. 

Yabbut, when you're done trolling, you don't have to walk home alone in the dark.

Boru

Likely because you're already home alone in the dark.
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RE: Would you agree?
April 7, 2019 at 4:55 pm
(April 7, 2019 at 9:08 am)joe90 Wrote: Would you agree with the quote below? Why or why not? I pulled it from Conservapedia.org incase you're wondering.


“Humanity is purposeless. You have no value. You’re a meaningless product of a random evolutionary process that initially developed from the spawn of a single-celled organism. The relationships you derive are also meaningless. Everything that you do in this life has no objective value. You’re living day-to-day only to accomplish the goal of mere survival.”

My life is  filled with purpose and I am long overdue for a vacation. A lack of purpose would be a break for once. Cognac and a crepe anyone?
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#29
RE: Would you agree?
April 7, 2019 at 4:58 pm
(April 7, 2019 at 4:55 pm)chimp3 Wrote:
(April 7, 2019 at 9:08 am)joe90 Wrote: Would you agree with the quote below? Why or why not? I pulled it from Conservapedia.org incase you're wondering.


“Humanity is purposeless. You have no value. You’re a meaningless product of a random evolutionary process that initially developed from the spawn of a single-celled organism. The relationships you derive are also meaningless. Everything that you do in this life has no objective value. You’re living day-to-day only to accomplish the goal of mere survival.”

My life is  filled with purpose and I am long overdue for a vacation. A lack of purpose would be a break for once. Cognac and a crepe anyone?

Stop flinging crepe at everyone, monkey!

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April 7, 2019 at 5:15 pm
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