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RE: Abortion: 10 years as an atheist and I still don't get it
February 17, 2020 at 4:15 pm
(February 17, 2020 at 2:51 pm)Agnostico Wrote: This is just another one of those topics that the secular community support for one reason only... To oppose religion
If they wanted to make it legal to kill a baby up to 6 months, these guys would support it
All this concern about the health of the woman isn't genuine. If it was then the mental health of the woman would be taken into consideration.
Most women are left mentally scared by abortion.
Guilt
anxiety
depression
eating disorders
alcohol and drug abuse
fear of infertility, suicidal thoughts
post traumatic stress disorder
post abortion stress syndrome
avoiding kids or pregnant women
unable to bond with present or future children
fear that her children will die
No one is concerned for the woman health post abortion
The probability of a woman being diagnosed with mental health problems after an abortion is 25%.
The probability of a member of the public being diagnosed with a mental health problem on average is 25%.
Statistically the effects are negligible.
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RE: Abortion: 10 years as an atheist and I still don't get it
February 17, 2020 at 4:43 pm
(February 17, 2020 at 3:18 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: Well, we could force a woman to carry the child of her rapist for nine months. I'm sure that wouldn't cause ANY psychological stress.
And for the record, I don't support abortion rights as a way to oppose religion. I support abortion rights as a way to promote human dignity. I would be beyond delighted if no woman ever found herself in a position where she would consider abortion, where every child was wanted, loved and cared for. So before you ascribe motives to me which I do not possess, you can kindly fuck directly off.
Boru
Im not calling for a total ban on abortion. I think they should be reserved for these rare cases of rape, medical risk, etc
For someone who can't afford it or just doesn't want it they can always give the kid up for adoption where it will be loved
As for your indignation, it's unwarranted cos I didn't direct that comment at u
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RE: Abortion: 10 years as an atheist and I still don't get it
February 17, 2020 at 4:52 pm
(February 17, 2020 at 4:43 pm)Agnostico Wrote: (February 17, 2020 at 3:18 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: Well, we could force a woman to carry the child of her rapist for nine months. I'm sure that wouldn't cause ANY psychological stress.
And for the record, I don't support abortion rights as a way to oppose religion. I support abortion rights as a way to promote human dignity. I would be beyond delighted if no woman ever found herself in a position where she would consider abortion, where every child was wanted, loved and cared for. So before you ascribe motives to me which I do not possess, you can kindly fuck directly off.
Boru
Im not calling for a total ban on abortion. I think they should be reserved for these rare cases of rape, medical risk, etc
For someone who can't afford it or just doesn't want it they can always give the kid up for adoption where it will be loved
As for your indignation, it's unwarranted cos I didn't direct that comment at u
If you're calling to limit abortion, in the sense that it isn't available to any woman who wants one, you're a moral beast and should be ashamed of yourself.
And you directed that comment at 'the secular community'. I'm a member in good standing.
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RE: Abortion: 10 years as an atheist and I still don't get it
February 17, 2020 at 5:25 pm
(This post was last modified: February 17, 2020 at 5:29 pm by The Architect Of Fate.)
This is just another one of those topics that the secular community support for one reason only... To oppose religion
If they wanted to make it legal to kill a baby up to 6 months, these guys would support it
Quote:All this concern about the health of the woman isn't genuine. If it was then the mental health of the woman would be taken into consideration.
Most women are left mentally scared by abortion.
Guilt
anxiety
depression
eating disorders
alcohol and drug abuse
fear of infertility, suicidal thoughts
post traumatic stress disorder
post abortion stress syndrome
avoiding kids or pregnant women
unable to bond with present or future children
fear that her children will die
No one is concerned for the woman health post abortion
There is plenty of studies that dispute and refute this,And also plenty to argue the opposite ,By the way women also suffer trauma due to having their kids adopted out and you support that so you might wanna work out that plank in your eye ,And this has nothing to do with atheism or religion.
(February 17, 2020 at 10:53 am)Agnostico Wrote: (February 17, 2020 at 9:14 am)Mr Greene Wrote: So you're saying the propaganda videos had the desired effect of manipulating your emotions?
U call facts propaganda which in itself says a lot
And u criticize me on having empathy for an innocent human life
Another fine example of atheist morality, or lack of it Quite the opposite.He criticized you for being emotionally minded .Oh and innocence doesn't apply to a fetus .
Quote:Im not calling for a total ban on abortion. I think they should be reserved for these rare cases of rape, medical risk, etc
Not good enough
Quote:For someone who can't afford it or just doesn't want it they can always give the kid up for adoption where it will be loved
Adoption can also lead to trauma and forces the women to stay pregnant
Quote:As for your indignation, it's unwarranted cos I didn't direct that comment at u
Your comment still applied thus i was
Quote:Im not calling for a total ban on abortion. I think they should be reserved for these rare cases of rape, medical risk, etc
Not good enough
Quote:For someone who can't afford it or just doesn't want it they can always give the kid up for adoption where it will be loved
Adoption can also lead to trauma and forces the women to stay pregnant
Quote:As for your indignation, it's unwarranted cos I didn't direct that comment at u
Your comment still applied thus i was
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RE: Abortion: 10 years as an atheist and I still don't get it
February 17, 2020 at 5:44 pm
(February 17, 2020 at 2:51 pm)Agnostico Wrote: This is just another one of those topics that the secular community support for one reason only... To oppose religion
If they wanted to make it legal to kill a baby up to 6 months, these guys would support it
All this concern about the health of the woman isn't genuine. If it was then the mental health of the woman would be taken into consideration.
Most women are left mentally scared by abortion.
Guilt
anxiety
depression
eating disorders
alcohol and drug abuse
fear of infertility, suicidal thoughts
post traumatic stress disorder
post abortion stress syndrome
avoiding kids or pregnant women
unable to bond with present or future children
fear that her children will die
No one is concerned for the woman health post abortion
Can you show me a non biased site with peer reviewed information that backs up this claim?
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RE: Abortion: 10 years as an atheist and I still don't get it
February 17, 2020 at 5:55 pm
(This post was last modified: February 17, 2020 at 6:23 pm by The Architect Of Fate.)
"Change was inevitable"
Nemo sicut deus debet esse!
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RE: Abortion: 10 years as an atheist and I still don't get it
February 17, 2020 at 9:25 pm
(February 17, 2020 at 2:51 pm)Agnostico Wrote: This is just another one of those topics that the secular community support for one reason only... To oppose religion
If they wanted to make it legal to kill a baby up to 6 months, these guys would support it
All this concern about the health of the woman isn't genuine. If it was then the mental health of the woman would be taken into consideration.
Most women are left mentally scared by abortion.
Guilt
anxiety
depression
eating disorders
alcohol and drug abuse
fear of infertility, suicidal thoughts
post traumatic stress disorder
post abortion stress syndrome
avoiding kids or pregnant women
unable to bond with present or future children
fear that her children will die
No one is concerned for the woman health post abortion
What? No.
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RE: Abortion: 10 years as an atheist and I still don't get it
February 18, 2020 at 3:56 am
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RE: Abortion: 10 years as an atheist and I still don't get it
February 18, 2020 at 4:14 am
Comes down to this:
If you don't want an abortion, don't have one. But don't tell others they can't have one because you're against it, especially those who are victims of incest or rape.
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RE: Abortion: 10 years as an atheist and I still don't get it
February 18, 2020 at 8:26 am
(February 18, 2020 at 4:14 am)The Valkyrie Wrote: Comes down to this:
If you don't want an abortion, don't have one. But don't tell others they can't have one because you're against it, especially those who are victims of incest or rape.
I agree. Im not telling anyone what to do. I can still express my opinion.
As i said im not talking about rare cases like rape, medical, etc
Im going to present my moral and social arguments against abortion tmrw probs.
Bed time for me but a question first...
What are the reasons someone would choose abortion over adoption? Its a big decision and i want to make sure i understand it. As a guy I can only guess.
Maybe if a girl doesn't want her parents to find out
She might be pressured by her family or the guy
Maybe if she doesn't want to carry the child and give birth to it
She might not want to have her child out there somewhere with other parents, never see him again
Is there anything else? The question could do with a female perspective i think
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