Posts: 15270
Threads: 450
Joined: March 29, 2015
Reputation:
29
RE: Abortion: 10 years as an atheist and I still don't get it
February 25, 2020 at 12:22 pm
(February 25, 2020 at 10:57 am)Klorophyll Wrote: No pal, abortion is a really dark spot in your worldview as atheists. There is no way for you to defend it in a coherent way and, deep down, you know it's immoral to end a human life, which includes foetuses.
It's not about defending abortion, nobody likes it, and it is a last mean for a person to handle that problem and usually for a person to save her life. That's why atheists are trying to solve that problem by letting gays adopt kids, by educating people in sex, by making contraception more available, and so on, most of which you and those like you object and just want to force women into doing what you think is your God ordering you to do.
(February 25, 2020 at 10:57 am)Klorophyll Wrote: Your system can't possibly make the distinction between the human life and any other form of life, and if you try and do that you're just borrowing religious ideals.
![[Image: abortion-flood.jpg]](https://i.postimg.cc/449YQRxz/abortion-flood.jpg)
teachings of the Bible are so muddled and self-contradictory that it was possible for Christians to happily burn heretics alive for five long centuries. It was even possible for the most venerated patriarchs of the Church, like St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas, to conclude that heretics should be tortured (Augustine) or killed outright (Aquinas). Martin Luther and John Calvin advocated the wholesale murder of heretics, apostates, Jews, and witches. - Sam Harris, "Letter To A Christian Nation"
Posts: 15206
Threads: 116
Joined: July 10, 2013
Reputation:
65
RE: Abortion: 10 years as an atheist and I still don't get it
February 25, 2020 at 3:02 pm
(February 25, 2020 at 10:57 am)Klorophyll Wrote: (February 25, 2020 at 9:28 am)Fake Messiah Wrote: Maybe I should have put it this way: abortion is a problem which atheists are trying to solve by contraception, education, better opportunities for people, etc.; while Christians are using abortion to act as some "moral" prima donnas.
No pal, abortion is a really dark spot in your worldview as atheists. There is no way for you to defend it in a coherent way and, deep down, you know it's immoral to end a human life, which includes foetuses. Hey Scooter,
I assume you come to this conclusion because only an atheist would consider, or have, an abortion.
Move on - your 'argument' fails.
“If you are the smartest person in the room, then you are in the wrong room.” — Confucius
Posts: 66329
Threads: 140
Joined: June 28, 2011
Reputation:
160
RE: Abortion: 10 years as an atheist and I still don't get it
February 25, 2020 at 5:22 pm
(This post was last modified: February 25, 2020 at 5:23 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
(February 25, 2020 at 11:40 am)Klorophyll Wrote: (February 25, 2020 at 11:11 am)The Grand Nudger Wrote: I'm willing to state with confidence that killing bacteria in the shower is a good kill. Your objection is incoherent not just with respect to my objective moral system, but also incoherent with respect to your own subjective moral system.
Your system can't possibly make the distinction between the human life and any other form of life, and if you try and do that you're just borrowing religious ideals.
From a materialist point of view nothing makes one more special than any virus or bacteria or living cell out there. And we can't do better than that unless we start elevating our own status.
Sure it can. I don't believe in gods, I know that there are different kinds of life. Why did you think this would be difficult?
Now we're on to materialism. It's important to point out that atheists don't have to be materialists, but it's no more difficult for a materialist to offer a set of value judgements than it is for you to do the same. None of these things you're asking about are problems. Who told you they were? Why would they be?
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
Posts: 10826
Threads: 29
Joined: December 8, 2019
Reputation:
14
RE: Abortion: 10 years as an atheist and I still don't get it
February 25, 2020 at 6:11 pm
(This post was last modified: February 25, 2020 at 6:23 pm by The Architect Of Fate.)
Quote:Its amusing to see atheists rationalize abortion with all kinds of analogies,
Nah there is nothing amusing about producing sound pro choice .But it is funny to watch dishonest apologists like you lie about it
Quote:the underlying reasoning being that the infant's life is less worth than the mother's.
Nope wrong
Quote: All this just to comfortably have more sex.
Wrong
Quote:You are senseless murderers at the baby scale.
Nope but your dishonest
Quote:The more mature murderers who understood atheism better are the kind of exemplary leaders like Pol Pot, Mao Zedong, etc. and the pyramids of skulls associated with their names.
Atheism can never be blamed for any of these men and Islam has produced plenty of mass murdering psychopaths so STFU
Quote:How can you justify killing millions of bacteria when you shower, atheists? Aren't they life too?
That question is actually for you
Quote:My point should be clear,
As clear as mud
Quote:I think. Only a superior moral reference can settle this issue.
No one cares what an apologist hack thinks and you possess no such morality
Quote:Avoiding this fact runs into problems,
Yup which is you problem not ours
Quote: abortion is one instance when one simply can't have a coherent justification for ending the infant's life without earning the murderer title.
Nope you most certainly can
Quote:Of course there are. Wars happen, you know. And remember that everything in the Qur'an presupposes the existence of God, as an ultimate source of morality.
No one gives a damn what your pimative book of bullshit presupposes
Quote:Your system can't possibly make the distinction between the human life and any other form of life,
Atheism isn't a system and yes an atheist can .It's Theism that lacks any justification of why we should give a damn
Quote: and if you try and do that you're just borrowing religious ideals.
Nope these are not you ideals nor can you justify them
Quote:From a materialist point of view nothing makes one more special than any virus or bacteria or living cell out there. And we can't do better than that unless we start elevating our own status.
All false .It's Theism tha fails at this
Quote:No pal, abortion is a really dark spot in your worldview as atheists.
Aheism isn't a worldview it's rejection of one .And pro choice is a light spot on the other hand Islams desire to have domination over women is your dark spot
Quote: There is no way for you to defend it in a coherent way and, deep down, you know it's immoral to end a human life, which includes foetuses.
Yes there is and your attempts at playing mind reader fails
(February 25, 2020 at 5:22 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: (February 25, 2020 at 11:40 am)Klorophyll Wrote: Your system can't possibly make the distinction between the human life and any other form of life, and if you try and do that you're just borrowing religious ideals.
From a materialist point of view nothing makes one more special than any virus or bacteria or living cell out there. And we can't do better than that unless we start elevating our own status.
Sure it can. I don't believe in gods, I know that there are different kinds of life. Why did you think this would be difficult?
Now we're on to materialism. It's important to point out that atheists don't have to be materialists, but it's no more difficult for a materialist to offer a set of value judgements than it is for you to do the same. None of these things you're asking about are problems. Who told you they were? Why would they be? Explaining REAL morality to a delusional goddist is futile .They are to brainwashed to get it .
"Change was inevitable"
Nemo sicut deus debet esse!
![[Image: Canada_Flag.jpg?v=1646203843]](https://images.weserv.nl/?url=cdn.shopify.com%2Fs%2Ffiles%2F1%2F0630%2F5310%2F3332%2Fproducts%2FCanada_Flag.jpg%3Fv%3D1646203843)
“No matter what men think, abortion is a fact of life. Women have always had them; they always have and they always will. Are they going to have good ones or bad ones? Will the good ones be reserved for the rich, while the poor women go to quacks?”
–SHIRLEY CHISHOLM
Posts: 541
Threads: 18
Joined: December 9, 2018
Reputation:
0
RE: Abortion: 10 years as an atheist and I still don't get it
February 25, 2020 at 9:02 pm
Ohhh
Islam Vs Atheism
Battle of the extremists
So far the solitary Muslim soldier has been tearing holes through an already damaged Atheist infantry.
Posts: 10826
Threads: 29
Joined: December 8, 2019
Reputation:
14
RE: Abortion: 10 years as an atheist and I still don't get it
February 25, 2020 at 9:11 pm
(This post was last modified: February 25, 2020 at 9:31 pm by The Architect Of Fate.)
(February 25, 2020 at 9:02 pm)Agnostico Wrote: Ohhh
Islam Vs Atheism
Battle of the extremists
So far the solitary Muslim soldier has been tearing holes through an already damaged Atheist infantry. Nope
Islam Vs Islam
Nope so far the solitary Muslim soldier has tripped over himself and broke his leg and all the atheists are having a victory party
"Change was inevitable"
Nemo sicut deus debet esse!
“No matter what men think, abortion is a fact of life. Women have always had them; they always have and they always will. Are they going to have good ones or bad ones? Will the good ones be reserved for the rich, while the poor women go to quacks?”
–SHIRLEY CHISHOLM
Posts: 1538
Threads: 25
Joined: September 18, 2013
Reputation:
10
RE: Abortion: 10 years as an atheist and I still don't get it
February 25, 2020 at 9:22 pm
(February 25, 2020 at 9:02 pm)Agnostico Wrote: Ohhh
Islam Vs Atheism
Battle of the extremists
So far the solitary Muslim soldier has been tearing holes through an already damaged Atheist infantry.
Perhaps you'd like to point out one of these "holes"... (not the one you're talking out of)
Quote:I don't understand why you'd come to a discussion forum, and then proceed to reap from visibility any voice that disagrees with you. If you're going to do that, why not just sit in front of a mirror and pat yourself on the back continuously?
- Esquilax
Evolution - Adapt or be eaten.
Posts: 2755
Threads: 8
Joined: November 28, 2014
Reputation:
22
RE: Abortion: 10 years as an atheist and I still don't get it
February 25, 2020 at 10:06 pm
At work.
Wait?
Is Mr Blocked reffering to AtlasS33?
I mean, other than a few sheep loose in the top paddock, AtlasS33 is actually a pretty cool/good/coherant poster of stuff.
They've just got their 'Hot topic' buttons likd Brian37, is all.
Cheers
Posts: 1538
Threads: 25
Joined: September 18, 2013
Reputation:
10
RE: Abortion: 10 years as an atheist and I still don't get it
February 25, 2020 at 10:27 pm
(This post was last modified: February 25, 2020 at 10:28 pm by Mr Greene.)
No it's Klorophyll.
Coherency isn't the first thing that springs to mind.
Quote:I don't understand why you'd come to a discussion forum, and then proceed to reap from visibility any voice that disagrees with you. If you're going to do that, why not just sit in front of a mirror and pat yourself on the back continuously?
- Esquilax
Evolution - Adapt or be eaten.
Posts: 2755
Threads: 8
Joined: November 28, 2014
Reputation:
22
RE: Abortion: 10 years as an atheist and I still don't get it
February 26, 2020 at 1:22 am
(February 25, 2020 at 10:27 pm)Mr Greene Wrote: No it's Klorophyll.
Coherency isn't the first thing that springs to mind.
Yeah... just reveiwing and noticed my post ended up here instead of over there.
The problems of posting while on a tiny phone screen I guess.... 
Not at work.
|
