Abortion: 10 years as an atheist and I still don't get it

[Mr Greene]

It's called 'life', or 'being human'. Unprotected sex happens and will continue to happen regardless of anything anyone does.
Unless you plan to cure people of life or being human.
Trying to convince a pair of drunken teenagers of the need to act responsibly is ambitious. Religions have been trying for centuries without success (though this may just be a guilt trip to ensnare people).

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

Not always.  Radiation treatments and chemotherapy are done consciously and cause harm and affect well-being.  In fact, they cause so much harm that a certain percentage of patients give up on the treatment and let the cancer take its course. Is using these methods to treat cancer patients an immoral act?

Things aren't as black and white as you seem to think.

Boru

Fair point. 
In trying to think of a counter claim to my own argument I thought the best way would be to find something with the definition i used for an immoral act

Is deliberately starting a bushfire an immoral act? It's causing harm to plant and creatures
But if it's controlled back burning done to better manage real fires then it's not immoral
Im sure there would be more examples along those lines

But the main strength of that moral argument is the pain. It's immoral to inflict pain on humans weather they are old, young or unborn. Pain is pain

Even if u disagree u have to admit its a sound moral argument. 

Talk to me also about my social argument about safe sex and responsibility. 
Ultimately that is what is causing so many unwanted pregnancies these days and STDs so more thought needs to be put into fixing the cause as well i think

We need Greta Thunberg to scare the world into using condoms... LoL... How dare you

I don’t think your ‘argument from pain’ is either strong or sound, because inflicting pain may - in a given situation - be the preferred moral choice. And if a foetus were anesthetized before the procedure, would the abortion then be moral?

I’m not sure that we’d have a lot to talk about regarding your social argument, as I agree with you. I’ve already said that birth control should be free to anyone who asks for it.

What does Ms. Thunberg have to do with this discussion?

Boru

[The Architect Of Fate]

Fair point. 
In trying to think of a counter claim to my own argument I thought the best way would be to find something with the definition i used for an immoral act

Is deliberately starting a bushfire an immoral act? It's causing harm to plant and creatures
But if it's controlled back burning done to better manage real fires then it's not immoral
Im sure there would be more examples along those lines

But the main strength of that moral argument is the pain. It's immoral to inflict pain on humans weather they are old, young or unborn. Pain is pain

Even if u disagree u have to admit its a sound moral argument. 

Talk to me also about my social argument about safe sex and responsibility. 
Ultimately that is what is causing so many unwanted pregnancies these days and STDs so more thought needs to be put into fixing the cause as well i think

We need Greta Thunberg to scare the world into using condoms... LoL... How dare you

I don’t think your ‘argument from pain’ is either strong or sound, because inflicting pain may - in a given situation - be the preferred moral choice. And if a foetus were anesthetized before the procedure, would the abortion then be moral?

I’m not sure that we’d have a lot to talk about regarding your social argument, as I agree with you. I’ve already said that birth control should be free to anyone who asks for it.

What does Ms. Thunberg have to do with this discussion?

Boru

He seems to have a weird thing about Greta Thunberg correctly telling world leaders to stop talking out of both sides of their mouths on climate change

[arewethereyet]

Have you every been pregnant?

U have never provided any logic, just slander. But to answer your irrelevant question i've been involved in pregnancies and took our responsibility.
I'll ask u something. Is it moral to deliberately inflict pain? Is it responsible to have unprotected sex?

I asked if you had ever been pregnant.  The answer for that is yes or no.

Waltzing around a direct answer to a direct question is a sure sign of dishonesty.  So is throwing in other blah, blah, blah.


No, no is the answer to my question.

[Simon Moon]

U have never provided any logic, just slander. But to answer your irrelevant question i've been involved in pregnancies and took our responsibility.

The option to have an abortion is taking responsibility.

I'll ask u something. Is it moral to deliberately inflict pain? Is it responsible to have unprotected sex?

Parents will force their children to: get inoculated, have surgeries, get chemo, and other medical procedures, that cause pain, yet are moral.

No, it is not responsible to have unprotected sex. That's why there are options for the mother: have the child and raise it, give it up for adoption, have an abortion, use "Plan B". All of these options, are potential responsible actions for the mother to take.

Let me ask you something.

If a 1 year old has kidney failure, is it moral to force the child's mother to give up one of her's to save the child?

[Agnostico]

I asked if you had ever been pregnant.  The answer for that is yes or no.

Waltzing around a direct answer to a direct question is a sure sign of dishonesty.  So is throwing in other blah, blah, blah.

No, no is the answer to my question.

Ye well what is your point?

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Let me ask you something.

If a 1 year old has kidney failure, is it moral to force the child's mother to give up one of her's to save the child?

No but no kidneys or anything is sacrificed in pregnancy?

Is it right for a child's mother to kill her child?

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LoL u don't have any idea what u are responding to mate that's why u don't understand. It was in response to someone else.

Actually he reason is because your comment makes no sense

U just say; nope, failed, terrible job because u are unable to address my claims to offer a counter argument like these guys b4 u did.

Actually i did address them and countered them

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I said that unprotected sex is the cause of unwanted pregnancies and STDs. U guys reject that without giving any reason.

Actually you give no reasons 

So in effect you are promoting unprotected sex, u are promoting irresponsible behaviour, unwanted pregnancies and STDs

No we aren't .Nice non sequitur

If u guys were genuine u would provide reasoning instead of outright rejection on its own.

Because all you give are things to reject

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U have never provided any logic, just slander.

Yes they did .It's you who provides no logic just emotions 

 But to answer your irrelevant question i've been involved in pregnancies and took our responsibility.

So you have never been pregnant .

I'll ask u something. Is it moral to deliberately inflict pain? Is it responsible to have unprotected sex?

It can be moral to inflict pain and no one said it was responsible.

LOL mate u haven't even looked at the right post.
Ur responding to responses not to my argument...

[The Valkyrie]

I asked if you had ever been pregnant.  The answer for that is yes or no.

Waltzing around a direct answer to a direct question is a sure sign of dishonesty.  So is throwing in other blah, blah, blah.

No, no is the answer to my question.

Ye well what is your point?

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Let me ask you something.

If a 1 year old has kidney failure, is it moral to force the child's mother to give up one of her's to save the child?

No but no kidneys or anything is sacrificed in pregnancy?

Is it right for a child's mother to kill her child?

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Actually he reason is because your comment makes no sense


Actually i did address them and countered them

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Actually you give no reasons 


No we aren't .Nice non sequitur


Because all you give are things to reject

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Yes they did .It's you who provides no logic just emotions 


So you have never been pregnant .


It can be moral to inflict pain and no one said it was responsible.

LOL mate u haven't even looked at the right post.
Ur responding to responses not to my argument...

If she's not ready to go through a pregnancy, yes.

Her body, her choice.

[Agnostico]

If she's not ready to go through a pregnancy, yes.

Her body, her choice.

I thought u were against abortion after viability...

How about "her choice her responsibility"

[CaenLeranzo]

I'm totally aware that there are people who are supportive and not supportive of abortion. Plus, I'm fully understanding of why abortion is illegal in some places and legal in other places because of cultures. To be brutally honest, I find that abortion is immorally murdering a developing human that didn't get the freedom of choice to live. Some people don't care about morals and they care about opportunities instead regardless of how immoral they are. I understand that. But, I don't trust those people who don't care about morals even if they wouldn't care that I don't trust them. Abortion is a form of skipping parental responsibility depending on whether the person is already a parent or not, which makes me feel dreary of how people behave because people who were born before the millennial era would most likely never perform an abortion. I feel like millennials and other people are indulging in toxic consumerism (which is why health problems are increasing worldwide and why nonrenewable resources are drying up), toxic individualism (which is causing current children to behave worse than the children in the past because young parents now don't want to be responsible parents that punish, discipline, and wisen their children to make them behave like civilized people in the future), immoral opportunism (which is causing people to become less trustworthy and less reliable), and codependent reliance on modern technology at the expense of developing problem-solving skills without the use of technology that is toxic (which is causing people to drastically limit their skills at the expense of their intellectual capacities). I find that abortion is another toxic product that these despicable millennials and younger people get so they don't have to be responsible for their actions from raising their children. The only time that I would feel supportive when someone were to have an abortion is when their life is in danger because of a dangerous pregnancy.

[The Valkyrie]

If she's not ready to go through a pregnancy, yes.

Her body, her choice.

I thought u were against abortion after viability...

How about "her choice her responsibility"

No, I said there are certain conditions after viability that I accept for abortions.

Big difference.

And it's not always her choice, is it? Some women are the victims of rape and incest and there are groups passing laws to force these women to carry these kids to term.

There are also laws being passed where women are forced to have funerals if they miscarry. Let me put it into no uncertain terms. As far as I'm concerned, these people are scum.

Did you knlw that in some places a rapist has visitation rights to kids that are the result of that rape?