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Crucifixion question
#31
RE: Crucifixion question
(April 14, 2019 at 2:39 pm)The Valkyrie Wrote:
(April 14, 2019 at 2:38 pm)Lemon Curry Wrote: Is it safe?

I'm not an "it".

And no, I'm not safe.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dG5Qk-jB0D4
I don't know whether I need a bottle in front of me or a frontal lobotomy. Diablo
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#32
RE: Crucifixion question
(April 14, 2019 at 2:39 pm)The Valkyrie Wrote:
(April 14, 2019 at 2:38 pm)Lemon Curry Wrote: Is it safe?

I'm not an "it".

And no, I'm not safe.
I don't know whether I need a bottle in front of me or a frontal lobotomy. Diablo
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#33
RE: Crucifixion question
(April 14, 2019 at 2:14 pm)Jello Wrote: Aside from anything, isn't the Christian cross wrong for crucifixion anyway? I remember reading somewhere that roman crucifixions were done on a giant X, which is also more logical anyway.

X's, t's, crosses too (the top bit is great for attaching signage - assuming you don't just nail it to their chest or face, or wtvs), and also bare posts.  The last one was real handy when you hung them up by the feet, pulled their arms out, and staked them to the ground. Twice the fun with the same amount of wood. Some parts of the empire were severely deforested.
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#34
RE: Crucifixion question
Crucifixion question?

Door on the left, one cross each.
Dying to live, living to die.
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#35
RE: Crucifixion question
(April 14, 2019 at 11:31 pm)Gae Bolga Wrote:
(April 14, 2019 at 2:14 pm)Jello Wrote: Aside from anything, isn't the Christian cross wrong for crucifixion anyway? I remember reading somewhere that roman crucifixions were done on a giant X, which is also more logical anyway.

X's, t's, crosses too (the top bit is great for attaching signage - assuming you don't just nail it to their chest or face, or wtvs), and also bare posts.  The last one was real handy when you hung them up by the feet, pulled their arms out, and staked them to the ground.  Twice the fun with the same amount of wood.  Some parts of the empire were severely deforested.

I think crucifixion crosses in the shape of an "X" are more aesthetically pleasing than the ones in the shape of a "T".

Besides, if one drills a hole in the centre of a cross in the shape of an "X" and then attaches an axle, through the hole, to a vertical post, the cross can be spun around giving all sorts of additional effects.  Much better than ya standard crucifixion, don'tcha think?
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#36
RE: Crucifixion question
The sky's the limit!  The term refers more to the disposition of the body, not the shape or perks of the structural support.  Any creative way you can find to string some hooker up and stretch him out is a crucifixion.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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#37
RE: Crucifixion question
(April 14, 2019 at 9:46 am)zebo-the-fat Wrote: I am the first to admit that I am no expert on this subject, but I have always wondered about one aspect of Crucifixion.

As I understand it, the criminal was made to carry his own cross up the hill before being crucified. When the Roman soldier said to the victim "I want you to carry this heavy cross up the hill so we can nail you onto it and leave you hanging until you die" What would stop him saying the Aramaic equivalent of "Piss off, carry it yourself!"
What could they do that was worse than Crucifixion?

(This is nothing to do with the religious aspects of the story, just a practical question)

They would go after a relative or friend beat them and make them carry your cross. if they gave any crap they would be crucified as well.
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#38
RE: Crucifixion question
Question:  Would it make any significant theological difference if Christ wasn't crucified, but died someone other way?  The mantra is that he 'died for your sins'.  Wouldn't he be just as dead and your sins be just as forgivable if he was clubbed to death or run over by an oxcart?

Boru
‘But it does me no injury for my neighbour to say there are twenty gods or no gods. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg.’ - Thomas Jefferson
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#39
RE: Crucifixion question
Yes, it would.  He had to suffer, in effect, be tortured.  This effected his sacrificial value with regards to vicarious redemption.

The token that endures more pain, pays for more pain.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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#40
RE: Crucifixion question
(April 15, 2019 at 10:12 am)Gae Bolga Wrote: Yes, it would.  He had to suffer, in effect, be tortured.  This effected his sacrificial value with regards to vicarious redemption.

The token that endures more pain, pays for more pain.

So how much sacrificial value would you place on a crucifixion as opposed to being run over by a cart full of shit being pulled by an ass?  You may use Shekels or may convert to any currency of today.
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