Stop Asking Me to Go to Church with You

[Brian37]

Bologna.

Sorry, cant ignore the parts in the NT where he demands you abandon your family and friends if they don't kiss is butt. Nor can you ignore where he says that he brings not peace, but a sword. Not to mention God/himself/Jesus, the same three headed being, goes right back to genocide and violence at the end of the book. 

And why even Jesus at all? The flood was supposed to get everyone to behave. 

Those stories never happened and the entire book is a book of mythology, written in an age of kings whom would punish you for lack of loyalty.

this is what happenes when you don't read the bible for yourselves. good glob people..

These where all instances when people came to Jesus Himself and asked to personally be a disciple, or he is giving instruction a to whom to look for in a disciple... Meaning what it would take to be one of the 12 or one of the many outside the inner twelve. not a simple follower or worshiper of Christ.

look at the 5000 he fed, did he impose those regulation on any of them? was any of this apart of the sermon on the mount/be attitudes? no

A handful of people came up and want to be apart of the entourage of Christ and what he said here was what would be required of them personally. Or in the case of mat 10 sent the 12 out with a list of things to look for in other disciples.

And in that case he is right, and it goes along with what I said. Got to love God first and formost. then your neighbor as yourself. Can't put the love of your parents first. What happens is if you learn to love God first you ablity of love will so increase that even in second place after God you will be able to love you parents that much more than if you where to love them with all that you are now.

The Flood was meant to destroy all non human/hybrid abomination life the cross between angel/demons and man. They produced such evil the world has never known before or since. All that is left is man with a soul.

This book subjected kings, meaning kings had to oppose the followers of this book or become one. so it doesnot follow that this book would be a tool looking to be used as a point of subjegation.

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I see Drich is not dead after all. I know this by the avalanche of bullshit he dropped on us.

no my father died. I was just busy settling his affairs.

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The threat of hell is not corrective as an motif, it is a threat of revenge for lack of loyalty. In modern reality our morality is far better in the west. If I disobey my parents as a kid, they are not allowed to beat the  shit out of me. If a wife or girlfriend want to leave their boyfriend, they cant beat the shit out of her or murder her.

The God character is a reflection of the authoritarian rule most humans in antiquity lived under.

And if the bible does not use the threat of Hell as a motavator for eternial life?

You are describing man's religious efforts for the pat 2000 years.

Hell of the bible was created for satan as a tomb of everlasting punishment. for us it is our end/final grave or destruction. Those who teach hell as a motivator do so as a matter of tradition and not through scripture as Jesus taught.

God spent most of the time pushing heaven as an opportunity to serve as a King of your own personal kingdom.

Love how you project the idea that atheists don't read the bible.

Um no, what you really mean is that you don't like our interpretation of the same book and don't like our objection to your interpretation.

I don't want to  live in a Kingdom. Kings are the products of antiquity. In the west we do not live under Kings. And the few Royal families that still exist in the west are merely living museum pieces that if tried to act like they did in antiquity would be thrown in prison or executed by any sane western society. Stalin and Hitler were kings, "dictator" is simply another word for authoritarian rule.  I also don't want to live under the Saudi Royal Family or Un. 

Nor do I want to be a king. I do not value being a sole ruler, nor do I want to live under  sole ruler. That is just nonsense to think being ruled or ruling with a one way street, is the key to a free society.

You've made a mental slave of yourself and do not realize it.

Real morality isn't about living under a king, or being a king, real morality is rule through advise and consent and the ability to keep power in check and change power when need be.

[Drich]

not a law here.. thankfully we can still beat our children as God intended. If you Spare the rod or use the rod sparingly you will spoil or make the child no good.


In more civilized eastern cultures public beating of not only children but adults have all but eliminated minor crimes. (like spitting gum out on the side walk for instance, and what's more major crimes are almost exclusively perpetrated by foreigners or organized crime.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-39991606

The point is morality becomes law. 

good or evil depends on where you live. here it is evil to beat.. there in the east and middle east it is immoral not to beat.

What makes one right and the other wrong?

Self righteousness.

Depends on what culture you are from, and remember no one is ever wrong in matters of good and evil when it is based on self righteousness.

So to us because we are self righteous/use our selfs as standards of right and wrong. eastern cultures are evil. and to those in the east who do not beat adulterous women and gays we are evil to allow such people to be celebrated in our culture/going unpunished.

Fuck you, fuck your God and fuck your stupid fucking Bible. Anyone who beats a child is a brutalizing monster who should be locked up.

Boru

oh, boring you..

you are making my point for me.

Self Righteous much buddy?

You have nothing to fall back on, Meaning that the collective feeling of right and wrong you are using to fire up your vitriol and the facade of morality you are trying to conjure up from behind the curtain of culture outrage is the very same self righteousness, your counterparts in the middle and far east use to beat the shite out of their kids and unrully men and women. and they do so with far great success when pointing to crime stats than anything the self righteous douche bags in the west can counter with.

Meaning of your peers you use to define beating you kids behind as being evil, you and everyone else in the west is in the vast minority here. Meaning you morality on a world wide scale of not beating your kids is a kin to 1945 morality of germany to put Jews in camps.. but because you live in a culture of self righteous people, there is no way for you to see the evil you are creating, because you will never see yourself as the bad guy here.

if this where a popularity contest to see who's self righteous bull shite 'morality' was to win out by sheer volume eastern culture prevails here. Meaning if and when there is a war between east and west and if they win... say good by to the days your kids will not be beaten at school.

Can you wrap your mind around what I am saying?

I don't have a dog in this race anymore. but what I am trying to point out is there is no way to discern right and wrong in a society based on self righteousness. As no soceity based on it's own moral compass will ever say what they are doing is evil.

[LastPoet]

I see Drich is not dead after all. I know this by the avalanche of bullshit he dropped on us.

no my father died. I was just busy settling his affairs.

Yes, i know, still an avalanche of bullshit and if my dad died, I would know he has no affairs now. You might. But when comes to parents, my condolences.

[Drich]

Love how you project the idea that atheists don't read the bible.

the vast majority don't sport. you read commentaries which contain bible clips. Do you have any idea how many times I have shut any one of you down simply by cutting and pasting a couple more sentences? if you read the bible and saw a continuity error and then had the balls to post it along with 10 others like it and all one had to do is keep reading a bit further and it would resolve it self... then why post the error? The TRUTH? because lazy people such as yourself cut and paste such errors from list you find on youtube, pinterest and facebook.. You know very reputable atheistic source material

Um no, what you really mean is that you don't like our interpretation of the same book and don't like our objection to your interpretation.

Before I spent 10 years studying with atheists I spent 10 studying with several different denominations of christianity. do you want to know the primary differences in the difference of studying with atheist and christians? Christian no matter what denomination can agree on just about 2/3 if not a greater percentageof scripture and the rest is lost to interpretation. However the core message always remains. otherwise we would not be christians...

How ever with an atheist, there is always a void beyond annotated bible quotes. it is the lack of interpretation that is very distinct and lacking. which is why you ALWays default to 'scientific proof.' (even though you can not define the parameters of said proof/ So you know what is and is not proof)

I don't want to  live in a Kingdom. Kings are the products of antiquity.

Hey smart guy.. I said the bible is in direct opposition to be used by a king in order to mandate behaivor. Do you still not understand that the king himself would be subject to the bible and not the bible to the king?

How can a king use the bible to rule if the bible's rules mandate the kings behavior?

You've made a mental slave of yourself and do not realize it.

a slave to what sort? God's law?no... I am currently free fro the law as a means to righteousness and yet still saved by Christ. Am I standard bearer for the morality of the soceity? As I think homosexuality is a sin, killing babies is always wrong and it is ok to beat a bad kids ass, no I am not a slave to the soceity.. maybe you mean I must go to church every sunday and spend my free time here doing exactly what you do... matter of fact how in your opinion does my life differ from yours? AsI am not obligated to do anything I do not literally want to do I am free as far as my responsibilities/bills will allow.. and yet still bound to sin as far as you are. yet again still saved. So again show me a chain, show me a link, show me anything... or are you speaking from blind stereotypes which is customary for those who do not read the bible.

Real morality isn't about living under a king, or being a king, real morality is rule through advise and consent and the ability to keep power in check and change power when need be.

morality only become more and more permissible. permission does not keep power in check. permission allow power to do whatever perverted thing society is willing to now live with.

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no my father died. I was just busy settling his affairs.

Yes, i know, still an avalanche of bullshit and if my dad died, I would know he has no affairs now. You might. But when comes to parents, my condolences.

His estate affairs. seldom to people died with exactly what they owe in their bank accounts. that being the case there is probate and a will executor/the person it falls on to see the money is distributed fairly and in accordance to his last will.

[WolfsChild]

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[outtathereligioncloset]

Rhondazvoux:

I never ask people to attend my church. I merely tell people that all are welcome at The Church of the Rising Penis (all rise or kneel as the spirit so moves you).

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

Fuck you, fuck your God and fuck your stupid fucking Bible. Anyone who beats a child is a brutalizing monster who should be locked up.

Boru

oh, boring you..

you are making my point for me.

Self Righteous much buddy?

You have nothing to fall back on, Meaning that the collective feeling of right and wrong you are using to fire up your vitriol and the facade of morality you are trying to conjure up from behind the curtain of culture outrage is the very same self righteousness, your counterparts in the middle and far east use to beat the shite out of their kids and unrully men and women. and they do so with far great success when pointing to crime stats than anything the self righteous douche bags in the west can counter with.

Meaning of your peers you use to define beating you kids behind as being evil, you and everyone else in the west is in the vast minority here. Meaning you morality on a world wide scale of not beating your kids is a kin to 1945 morality of germany to put Jews in camps.. but because you live in a culture of self righteous people, there is no way for you to see the evil you are creating, because you will never see yourself as the bad guy here.

if this where a popularity contest to see who's self righteous bull shite 'morality' was to win out by sheer volume eastern culture prevails here. Meaning if and when there is a war between east and west and if they win... say good by to the days your kids will not be beaten at school.

Can you wrap your mind around what I am saying?

I don't have a dog in this race anymore. but what I am trying to point out is there is no way to discern right and wrong in a society based on self righteousness. As no soceity based on it's own moral compass will ever say what they are doing is evil.

Nothing to do with self-righteousness.  I'm 6'4", I weigh a little under 220lbs, and I simply can't convince myself that physically assaulting a 40lb toddler is the best way to go.

Wanna have an interesting day?  Hit a kid in front of me.

Boru

[Rhondazvous]

Rhondazvoux:  

I never ask people to attend my church.  I merely tell people that all are welcome at The Church of the Rising Penis (all rise or kneel as the spirit so moves you).

And at communion everybody gets a piece.