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RE: Vision and Evolution (A Critique of Dawkins)
August 5, 2019 at 2:41 pm
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(August 5, 2019 at 2:27 pm)Abaddon_ire Wrote: (August 4, 2019 at 8:56 pm)John 6IX Breezy Wrote: Mutations do happen, but for reasons that will be diminished and protected against, as can be observed with codon degeneracy. Destinations do exist, as can be observed by the interplay between selection and adaptation. But again, agree to disagree. No way. You are claiming that an evolutionary "destination" exists. Therefore it is your burden to demonstrate such a destination exists. Put up or shut up.
Certainly, given that a destination can be identified by some state of rest, you can observe these states in many difference places. For example, this video of e. coli and antibiotics. Each stage of antibiotic concentration, leads to a new possible or ultimate destination. Some of the bacteria can't go further, because the antibiotics messes with their homeostatic balance, killing the bacteria. Their end state goes only as far as whatever concentration they can tolerate. Other bacteria that are more resistant find their state of rest at a higher concentration. They are in essence pushed there by en excess in the population at lower concentrations, and an absence of population at higher concentration, mixed with the internal adaptation to survive at that concentration. Hope that helps you understand selection and adaptation, and how they result in states of balance.
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RE: Vision and Evolution (A Critique of Dawkins)
August 5, 2019 at 2:42 pm
"Homeostasis" is a big and technical sounding word whose specialized meaning really adds nothing to the statement above. Replace the word "homeostasis" with the word "alive" would convey all the meaning. But using the word "homeostasis" certainly does make the statement sound more profound and erudite without adding anything at all to its pedestrian information content.
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RE: Vision and Evolution (A Critique of Dawkins)
August 5, 2019 at 2:43 pm
Who cares if it was inspired by satan? That wouldn’t make it any less accurate.
I’d think it would be rather embarassing for your silly god if we had to rely on imps and demons for an accurate account of human origins and development.
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RE: Vision and Evolution (A Critique of Dawkins)
August 5, 2019 at 2:44 pm
(August 5, 2019 at 2:39 pm)soldierofGod Wrote: (August 5, 2019 at 12:57 pm)Gae Bolga Wrote: If it seems self explanatory, then how could it be a gap in any account, including an evolutionary one?
No. No. You think it’s something that requires explaining. Additionally, you think theories like those -should- have such explanations. Well, evolutionary biology has a credible explanation for it, johnism has a gap.
What should we make of that? Shall I refer to your other previous statements for inspiration?
No, the theory of evolution was inspired by Satan.
But it is a better sort of satan than the sort of satan that inspired you Koran.
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RE: Vision and Evolution (A Critique of Dawkins)
August 5, 2019 at 2:46 pm
(August 5, 2019 at 2:26 pm)John 6IX Breezy Wrote: I don't know if I've used the word goal, perhaps I did. I thought I've used the terms destination, states of rest, homeostasis, balance, equilibrium, etc. But my memory is faulty, so maybe I did use the word goal. The most probable thing is that it isn't your memory failing, It is your inability to learn and reason. You prefer that linus blanket, that is religion. I prefer the hard truth, raw, like anal with no lube.
If you take solace in believing in gods amongst atheists, there must be weakness in your belief, to seek discussion about an old dead horse like your original argument. What's next? The transcendental argument for god? Ray comfort's banana's fitting in human orifices, perfectly?
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RE: Vision and Evolution (A Critique of Dawkins)
August 5, 2019 at 2:46 pm
(August 5, 2019 at 2:39 pm)Abaddon_ire Wrote: ETA: Funny how he is quibbling about "goal" and "destination". Almost as if he thinks semantics are sufficient to make his god real.
Sadly, semantics are important everywhere life, particularly in science discussions. There is a big enough gap between a goals and destination to warrant clarification. Surely you're not opposed to clarification?
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RE: Vision and Evolution (A Critique of Dawkins)
August 5, 2019 at 2:50 pm
(August 5, 2019 at 2:46 pm)John 6IX Breezy Wrote: (August 5, 2019 at 2:39 pm)Abaddon_ire Wrote: ETA: Funny how he is quibbling about "goal" and "destination". Almost as if he thinks semantics are sufficient to make his god real.
Sadly, semantics are important everywhere life, particularly in science discussions. There is a big enough gap between a goals and destination to warrant clarification. Surely you're not opposed to clarification?
Is that why you used "homeostasis" when you convey nothing more than the meaning of "alive"?
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RE: Vision and Evolution (A Critique of Dawkins)
August 5, 2019 at 2:52 pm
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(August 5, 2019 at 2:42 pm)Anomalocaris Wrote: "Homeostasis" is a big and technical sounding word whose specialized meaning really adds nothing to the statement above. Replace the word "homeostasis" with the word "alive" would convey all the meaning. But using the word "homeostasis" certainly does make the statement sound more profound and erudite without adding anything at all to its pedestrian information content.
Homeostasis shouldn't be a big and technical word to anyone responding on this thread. And the word "alive" fails to address the processes of living organisms that are more specifically addressed by the word homeostasis. I used the word because those processes are what I want to reference, obviously.
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RE: Vision and Evolution (A Critique of Dawkins)
August 5, 2019 at 2:55 pm
(August 5, 2019 at 2:43 pm)Gae Bolga Wrote: Who cares if it was inspired by satan? That wouldn’t make it any less accurate.
I’d think it would be rather embarassing for your silly god if we had to rely on imps and demons for an accurate account of human origins and development.
Roger Morneau explains the Origin of the theory of evolution (Evil-Illution) and why this theory was created during the Great General Council of Satan and secret societies in 1700 (anti-Christian, Antichrist). Roger Morneau was a former member of secret societies, who finally repented before God.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n3WdTFwk9j4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TkFukwfl0QI
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RE: Vision and Evolution (A Critique of Dawkins)
August 5, 2019 at 2:57 pm
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(August 5, 2019 at 2:52 pm)John 6IX Breezy Wrote: (August 5, 2019 at 2:42 pm)Anomalocaris Wrote: "Homeostasis" is a big and technical sounding word whose specialized meaning really adds nothing to the statement above. Replace the word "homeostasis" with the word "alive" would convey all the meaning. But using the word "homeostasis" certainly does make the statement sound more profound and erudite without adding anything at all to its pedestrian information content.
Homeostasis shouldn't be a big and technical word to anyone responding on this thread.
Exactly. People who respond here knows its specific meaning and realizes the presence of the word here is not for precision but for pretense and pomposity.
Being alive makes it clear the processes of the organism is sufficiently adaptable to the environment such that the organism isn't dead. Homeostasis is a state that organisms never truly sustains but struggles to avoid excessive excursion.
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