Jeffrey Epstein Dead

[arewethereyet]

Please provide proof for your claims regarding Epstein’s death.

[Anomalocaris]

Brian, my point is that you are so damned predictable.

You cannot help yourself.  You have to make comparisons to things where there are none.

As for Ms. Bland and Mr. Garner - their deaths were wrong and should have been investigated fairly and fully.  The fact that did not happen doesn't mean that Epstein's death should not be investigated fairly and fully.  It's a fact that high profile people have high profile reporting when something involves them.  That has always been so.  It may lead to things being handled unfairly but the simple fact is that more people are aware of who Epstein was than were aware of Ms. Bland and Mr. Garner at the time of their deaths.

If your trailer burned down it wouldn't make national news.  But if the White House burned down it would be played on the media all over the world.

I agree Sandra Bland and Eric garner did not get justice.

Meanwhile, you are still stupidly looking at my finger while I am pointing at the moon.

While you are stupidly and needlessly fighting me, and falsely putting thoughts in my head that are not there, rich white men who helped him love this distraction. 

BINGO, if my house burned down, IT WOULD NOT make news. The point with Bland and Garner, is that even when it does make news, nothing gets done. But when a rich white guy gets gets in trouble, All the sudden there is grey area. White people far too much still say, "If they hadn't resisted". But yet we have white mass shooters who make it to jail. 

OF COURSE Epstein's death should be investigated. I FUCKING AGREE, I simply don't think there was a outside force that caused it.

Unlike Sandra Bland or Eric Garner. Not in a conspiracy context, but their deaths were cased by the long term climate of ignoring that minorities are still hurt worse on average by our justice system. Epstein's death was by his own hand. 

Should it have been prevented? YES, but was it a conspiracy? NO!

Brian, most of the times when you barge in on threads waving your arms and wagging your fingers, the moon isn’t waving around in the sky following your fingers, if there is any moon up there at all. 

From people’s reactions, you might consider reflecting on whether there are things wrong how your are pointing and what you are pointing to in discussions.

[Brian37]

That poor woman definitely should have been kept on a suicide watch. A combination of her mental health issues and an incompetently run jail led to a needless death.

But the point (which Brian either misses or doesn't care about) is that her suicide WAS investigated, but for some reason he has a problem with the Epstein investigation.

Puzzling, that is.

Boru

I like Brian. He's a good a guy.
He just worries too much and gets a little ahead of himself in reminding everyone how and what to think sometimes, is all.

Anyhow, Epstein was housed in a high-security area. 
A careful review of the surveillance footage should be able to dispel at least some of the speculation as to what may have happened.

I am NOT a good guy. I like ABBA!

Damn, you're ruining my reputation!

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Please provide proof for your claims regarding Epstein’s death.

I am not the one who used the words "assisted" or "allowed".

All I pointed out was likelihood.

It is highly likely he merely killed  himself because the thought of being in prison for the rest of his life and being raped by other prisoners he couldn't live with. 

Sure, that is not as sexy as space aliens abducting him or leaving atheist chem trails by piloting passenger jets leaving ancient alien messages in the clouds telling you that Elvis is still alive. But please, tell everyone else about how Big Foot and the Loc Ness monster are possible.

You got me, the two old men in the balcony of the Muppet Show are onto Kermit. Fucking hippy pork fucking frog has it out for everyone.

i am NOT AGAINST this investigation going where the evidence leads. I am against conspiracy bullshit.

[Rev. Rye]

It is highly likely he merely killed  himself because the thought of being in prison for the rest of his life and being raped by other prisoners he couldn't live with.

That's certainly a plausible motivation. Sure, I don't think he attempted it the first time he was in jail, but I can only assume that this time around, there was a Hell of a lot more scrutiny over him and his actions. And, of course, as for how someone in jail who had attempted it a few weeks prior managed to get off suicide watch long enough to complete it, well, the reason that makes the most sense is some prison employee who decided:





(Note that last time, he was sentenced to 18 months in an unlocked jail cell [serving only 13] and serving on work release under terms that are ludicrously lenient [between being allowed to do so after 3.5 months in jail even though it's normally only allowed when the prisoner has 10 months left, sex offenders not being allowed such a thing anyway, and generous enforcement of specified release hours], the NYPD neglecting to enforce sex offender registry rule, and he worked from jail anyway. This does not give one hope for a proper punishment when all this is over.)


At this point, I tend more towards Heinlein's Razor: "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity, but don’t rule out malice.”

As far as I can see with the evidence available to us so far, this hypothesis makes sense.

[arewethereyet]

Brian, my point is that you are so damned predictable.

You cannot help yourself.  You have to make comparisons to things where there are none.

As for Ms. Bland and Mr. Garner - their deaths were wrong and should have been investigated fairly and fully.  The fact that did not happen doesn't mean that Epstein's death should not be investigated fairly and fully.  It's a fact that high profile people have high profile reporting when something involves them.  That has always been so.  It may lead to things being handled unfairly but the simple fact is that more people are aware of who Epstein was than were aware of Ms. Bland and Mr. Garner at the time of their deaths.

If your trailer burned down it wouldn't make national news.  But if the White House burned down it would be played on the media all over the world.

I agree Sandra Bland and Eric garner did not get justice.

Meanwhile, you are still stupidly looking at my finger while I am pointing at the moon.

While you are stupidly and needlessly fighting me, and falsely putting thoughts in my head that are not there, rich white men who helped him love this distraction. 

BINGO, if my house burned down, IT WOULD NOT make news. The point with Bland and Garner, is that even when it does make news, nothing gets done. But when a rich white guy gets gets in trouble, All the sudden there is grey area. White people far too much still say, "If they hadn't resisted". But yet we have white mass shooters who make it to jail. 

OF COURSE Epstein's death should be investigated. I FUCKING AGREE, I simply don't think there was a outside force that caused it.

Unlike Sandra Bland or Eric Garner. Not in a conspiracy context, but their deaths were cased by the long term climate of ignoring that minorities are still hurt worse on average by our justice system. Epstein's death was by his own hand. 

Should it have been prevented? YES, but was it a conspiracy? NO!

Bolded

You made a statement.  Not an assumption.  I asked for the proof you have.

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I like Brian. He's a good a guy.
He just worries too much and gets a little ahead of himself in reminding everyone how and what to think sometimes, is all.

Anyhow, Epstein was housed in a high-security area. 
A careful review of the surveillance footage should be able to dispel at least some of the speculation as to what may have happened.

I am NOT a good guy. I like ABBA!

Damn, you're ruining my reputation!

---

Please provide proof for your claims regarding Epstein’s death.

I am not the one who used the words "assisted" or "allowed".

All I pointed out was likelihood.

It is highly likely he merely killed  himself because the thought of being in prison for the rest of his life and being raped by other prisoners he couldn't live with. 

Sure, that is not as sexy as space aliens abducting him or leaving atheist chem trails by piloting passenger jets leaving ancient alien messages in the clouds telling you that Elvis is still alive. But please, tell everyone else about how Big Foot and the Loc Ness monster are possible.

You got me, the two old men in the balcony of the Muppet Show are onto Kermit. Fucking hippy pork fucking frog has it out for everyone.

i am NOT AGAINST this investigation going where the evidence leads. I am against conspiracy bullshit.

Boru already pointed out to you that it's Loch Ness.  Which shows that you don't read what's written or you don't or can't comprehend it.

I have to say though - bringing the Muppets into this was not expected...at least not by me.  

You are unhinged.

[Brian37]

I agree Sandra Bland and Eric garner did not get justice.

Meanwhile, you are still stupidly looking at my finger while I am pointing at the moon.

While you are stupidly and needlessly fighting me, and falsely putting thoughts in my head that are not there, rich white men who helped him love this distraction. 

BINGO, if my house burned down, IT WOULD NOT make news. The point with Bland and Garner, is that even when it does make news, nothing gets done. But when a rich white guy gets gets in trouble, All the sudden there is grey area. White people far too much still say, "If they hadn't resisted". But yet we have white mass shooters who make it to jail. 

OF COURSE Epstein's death should be investigated. I FUCKING AGREE, I simply don't think there was a outside force that caused it.

Unlike Sandra Bland or Eric Garner. Not in a conspiracy context, but their deaths were cased by the long term climate of ignoring that minorities are still hurt worse on average by our justice system. Epstein's death was by his own hand. 

Should it have been prevented? YES, but was it a conspiracy? NO!

Bolded

You made a statement.  Not an assumption.  I asked for the proof you have.

I didn't use assume shit. YOU DID.

All I pointed out was likelihood and probability. 

It would not surprise me if his circle were BOTH high profile REPUBLICANS and DEMOCRATS....... 

All I was saying, JUST LIKE someone without his fame accused of the same thing. It still sucks being accused of such, and fame or wealth still will not make it easy for you in prison long term.

I lean to the fucker merely saying, " i have no life, I have no credibility, I have nothing, I am calling it quits."

[onlinebiker]

Personally, I find it a little odd that he was taken off of suicide watch. Still not clear as to when or why that happened.
At the very least, it lends credence to the possibility that he was allowed to commit suicide.

Idiocy, lack of resources, a person in authority who doesn't understand nor doesn't care about mental issues, lack of trained staff (not the same as idiocy), and so on.  There are many valid answers where the authorities would be culpable for the death of Epstein without them actually meaning to kill him.

Given the reports that Epstein had ligature marks from a previous attempt, my guess is somebody didn't do their search right putting him back into his cell and he smuggled in something he could hang himself with.  And given he was put off suicide watch there was nobody watching him just in case (and even if he were on suicide watch, that's no guarantee, there's plenty of examples of suicide watches being so incompetently run in prisons and secure mental facilities worldwide that suicidal people commit suicide).

PS the best evidence that we have currently for whether the suicide was genuine or faked is that Dumbfuck is gleefully pushing the conspiracy theories that Epstein was bumped off.  Given that he's the one man with most to lose from the evidence against Epstein and (a now no longer) possible cracking of Epstein, that screams to me that the suicide was genuine, if possibly deliberately assisted.

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Nawwwsw..


That's just a conspiracy theory...


Signed


Vince Foster

You're an idiot.

But then again we've known this for a long time.

And you are a humorless wanker.

Not a recent discovery.

[Brian37]

Idiocy, lack of resources, a person in authority who doesn't understand nor doesn't care about mental issues, lack of trained staff (not the same as idiocy), and so on.  There are many valid answers where the authorities would be culpable for the death of Epstein without them actually meaning to kill him.

Given the reports that Epstein had ligature marks from a previous attempt, my guess is somebody didn't do their search right putting him back into his cell and he smuggled in something he could hang himself with.  And given he was put off suicide watch there was nobody watching him just in case (and even if he were on suicide watch, that's no guarantee, there's plenty of examples of suicide watches being so incompetently run in prisons and secure mental facilities worldwide that suicidal people commit suicide).

PS the best evidence that we have currently for whether the suicide was genuine or faked is that Dumbfuck is gleefully pushing the conspiracy theories that Epstein was bumped off.  Given that he's the one man with most to lose from the evidence against Epstein and (a now no longer) possible cracking of Epstein, that screams to me that the suicide was genuine, if possibly deliberately assisted.

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You're an idiot.

But then again we've known this for a long time.

And you are a humorless wanker.

Not a recent discovery.

This is rich coming from an idiot who thinks because we should hand firearms out like candy, thinks we personally want your balls roasted in a fire. 

Can I play another ABBA video for your stupid ass?

[onlinebiker]

And you are a humorless wanker.

Not a recent discovery.

This is rich coming from an idiot who thinks because we should not hand firearms out like candy, thinks we personally want your balls roasted in a fire. 

Can I play another ABBA video for your stupid ass?

Gloves coming off.


Listen up you basement dwelling momma' s boy --

I ' m sick of your lying bullshit.

You think you can just keep making shit up about what other people say - and eventually third parties will believe the ooze that spews forth from your pie hole.

So - put up or shut the fuck up ----


Show ONCE where I said "we should hand out guns like candy"

You CAN'T you bottom feeding excuse for a functioning human - because I NEVER SAID IT.

I just never agree with your cockamamie, sophmoric, dullard "ideas".

[Brian37]

This is rich coming from an idiot who thinks because we should not hand firearms out like candy, thinks we personally want your balls roasted in a fire. 

Can I play another ABBA video for your stupid ass?

Gloves coming off.


Listen up you basement dwelling momma' s boy --

I ' m sick of your lying bullshit.

You think you can just keep making shit up about what other people say - and eventually third parties will believe the ooze that spews forth from your pie hole.

So - put up or shut the fuck up ----


Show ONCE where I said "we should hand out guns like candy"

You CAN'T you bottom feeding excuse for a functioning human - because I NEVER SAID IT.

I just never agree with your cockamamie, sophmoric, dullard "ideas".

I am proud of being Momma's boy dumbass.

My mom was a majority lifetime voting republican. But even with that, it frustrated me that she agreed with me on both social and economic views. She never realized that her good intent had changed with Nixon's Southern Strategy.
I had many a conversation as an adult on what she thought about what as a voting republican.'

Me, "Should gays be allowed to be married"?

Mom, "YES" AGAIN THAT IS A LIFETIME VOTING REPUBLICAN.

Me "Should teachers be allowed to carry firearms?"

Mom, " ARE YOU OUT OF YOUR FUCKING MIND"?

Me, "Do teachers get paid enough?"

Mom, "No!"

Me. "Then why do you vote republican?"

Our parents  didn't want change. It wasn't that change was wrong, just in that change was something they feared.