God, Energy and Matter

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

I'm as thankful as anyone else for the blessing that science has provided for humankind.  I'm all for striving to produce the accomplishments we have made over time that have improved our lives in so many ways.  I'm no flat earther and put a lot of trust in science for improving our lives and finding facts.  The problem is that we're terribly unhappy and unfulfilled.  In the US, teenagers are committing suicide at increasing rates.  People are using drugs at increasing rates in order to escape this "wonderful" life which those great individuals have provided for us.  Evil and mentally ill people are shooting others just "because".  People are killing themselves working long hours at strenuous jobs just to make more money to buy more things that don't do anything to help resolve that inner yearning for meaning.  And this is all we have?  Peace comes from God and knowing that there is more to existence.  We must have God in the equation.  Existence isn't complete without the inclusion of the spiritual realm.  It doesn't come from mindlessly following a religion, but rather to opening oneself to God's leading.  The universe isn't here just "because".  The universe exists for a reason.

Now is the moment when you start telling us how you make your own life have meaning.

No this is the moment where I start telling you that God IS in the equation, and that's the chief source of the trouble.

Boru

[Fake Messiah]

And more than likely all of those people you mentioned are Christians of one flavor or another.

[LastPoet]

Wild variable on the equation.

[polymath257]

[Haipule]

I'm more of a philosopher than a scientist, but I'm taking what I understand from science and I'm philosophizing.  If energy and matter cannot be  created or destroyed, that means that they share an intrinsic quality with God.  They have always existed with no beginning, and they will continue to exist into infinity.  Those are qualities are also given to God.  Could this match up in any way with a pantheistic understanding of the universe?  If I use science as a basis for my understanding, there couldn't have been an occasion when nothing existed, so energy and matter could not have been created.

Sorry I'm late here. Aloha Lek: I study energy be it called; dark energy; aether; zero point; orgon; etc. And still some call energy 'dark matter'. If everything is energy-gas-liquid-solid and energy can transfer into gas-liquid-solid. Then I think the term 'dark matter' is silly. There is truly no such thing as space as there can be no such thing as nothing. The energy is everywhere. Tapping into it is tricky. I make toys for it to play with a watch what it does. What blew my mine the most is its ability to communicate and take direction. It is very playful.

Energy is not a being.

If we look at bara in Gen 1:1 translated 'created'(from the Latin creatura) means: to speak into existence. bara is where we get the Hebrew magic word abracadabra which means something to the effect of "I have said it and it will come to pass as I have said". Remember God said, "let there be light". Also:


 By the word of the LORD the heavens were made, And by the breath(ruwack) of His mouth all their host. Psalm 33:6 NASB

Appears to me that God merely commanded the energy to be a universe. I'm sure the word wasn't BANG! I haven't yet ruled out BAZINGA!

[mordant]

We must have God in the equation.  Existence isn't complete without the inclusion of the spiritual realm.  It doesn't come from mindlessly following a religion, but rather to opening oneself to God's leading.  The universe isn't here just "because".  The universe exists for a reason.

Now is the moment when you start telling us how you make your own life have meaning.

Too many people are unhappy, therefore god.

Nope. Not buying it.

People are unhappy for a variety of reasons that are better explanations than "lacking god" or "insufficiently spiritual". Lack of economic opportunity, outright poverty, poor education, poor or non-existent access to healthcare, and malnutrition are just a handful of better explanations for human suffering.

[Lek]

Well, I got a science lesson and some opinions and theories, but but I still don't whether or not energy had a beginning or it it has infinite existence.  Nobody knows whether or not anything exists beyond our physical universe or if anything with different qualities exists or ever existed here or anywhere.

I'm also left to wonder if all of existence has any transcendent meaning to it or if we're "just here", and that's it.  You and I are living our lives trying to make them meaningful and also helping others to have better lives.  I guess you can accept that is all it's about, but it doesn't make any sense to me.  I see see to much evidence of supernatural existence and I know what God has convinced me of.

Fortunately, we're all free to choose our own paths.  I don't really try too hard to convert anybody who doesn't want to be converted these days.  It is true that you have to be willing to take that step of faith, like stepping off a cliff.  I'll continue to believe in God until something proves to me or convinces me of his non-existence.

[The Grand Nudger]

Helping others is as transcendent as any meaning could be. It’s not as if there’s some category called super-transcendent. Which is more transcendent than transcendent things.

Pretty sure some guy named Jesus described transcendent meaning by reference to loving our brothers.

- and aren’t we all brothers, eh?

Suppose there were other, supernatural meanings, also transcendent. They would coexist. It’s not as if there could only be one, lol.

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

It is true that you have to be willing to take that step of faith, like stepping off a cliff.

Faith has always struck me as a pretty unreliable path to knowledge. 

Boru

[Lek]

It is true that you have to be willing to take that step of faith, like stepping off a cliff.

Faith has always struck me as a pretty unreliable path to knowledge. 

Boru

Yeah. That's one reason you're an atheist.