God, Energy and Matter

[Anomalocaris]

So you don't feel that you are reunited right now ?
What purpose would reuniting fulfill ?

Knowing the purpose for and understanding all that exists.

Do you think your god needs something from you ?
Aren't you already connected ?
Aren't you already united ?

Yes, I'm connected, but haven't fully realized total unity.

What do you think would change after you're dead ?
Do you think you would finally experience a TRUE connection to your god ?

Eventually, yes.

And what purpose will that serve ? You know, to actually see and hear god. What's the purpose of that ?

To be totally and infinitely existent.  To be intimate with every aspect of creation.

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Once again, you are limited to this one, very small planet and trying to generalize to the whole universe. You proceed with purpose in your actions because *you* have chosen what you want to do. The vast majority of even the Earth isn't 'purposeful'. And once you get off of this little ball, the universe as a whole shows nothing even remotely like a purpose.

Once again, when the Earth was considered to be the center of the universe and the universe itself was seen to be less than, say, a couple of billion miles across, it made some sense to think of ourselves as important in the grand scheme of things.
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But the real world isn't like that. If we made a scale model of the universe where the distance from the sun to the earth is an inch, the earth itself would be invisible. The solar system would be about three yards across. And the nearest star other than the sun would be over 4 miles away. Our galaxy would be around 100,000 miles across (on this scale, mind you). And there are hundreds of billions of galaxies that we know about.

Thinking that humans are special in any way is worse that a single ant in some ant colony in the Amazon thinking it is important to how the Earth functions.

Laughable

I don't understand why you believe that because we are a very small part of the universe that we are of little importance.  All of the universe is as important as any other.  We're all a part of the whole which supports the rest.  It all formed from the same event and the same energy.

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I'm going to try to respond to all the posts here, but when I post once I get 5 or 6 replies, so it takes some time and thought.

Defined importance.

[The Grand Nudger]

On the other side of the coin, whatever (tiny) importance we have, and whatever usefulness we see....means a lot to us.

Is meaning everything to us not enough meaning.....for meaning? It seems like that would strip meaning, of meaning.

[Silver]

Meaningless.

[polymath257]

On the other side of the coin, whatever (tiny) importance we have, and whatever usefulness we see....means a lot to us.

Is meaning everything to us not enough meaning.....for meaning?  It seems like that would strip meaning, of meaning.

I'll go further. It is the transitory, fleeting things that are more often meaningful than the lasting, 'eternal' things. I find the smile of a child to be much more meaningful (on a personal level) than the light from a quasar.

The point is that *for us* there are meaningful things and we place great importance on them. But that in no way implies they are of *cosmic* or *eternal* importance.

[Rahn127]

Lek, correct me if I'm wrong, but it would seem that you believe that you came from god and after you die, you will be reunited with him, connected to all he knows and be able to understand the meaning and purpose behind everything that happens in the universe.

Let's say that I believe that I was once a god devouring being that consumed all the gods that were or ever would be throughout time.

Can we both be correct in our beliefs ?

NO

Without any evidence to support either belief, we could also both be wrong.

In your own mind, do you account for the possibility that you could be wrong ?

[Lek]

Lek, correct me if I'm wrong, but it would seem that you believe that you came from god and after you die, you will be reunited with him, connected to all he knows and be able to understand the meaning and purpose behind everything that happens in the universe.

That's pretty good.

Let's say that I believe that I was once a god devouring being that consumed all the gods that were or ever would be throughout time.

Can we both be correct in our beliefs ?

I don't think they could both be true.

Without any evidence to support either belief, we could also both be wrong.

Agreed.

In your own mind, do you account for the possibility that you could be wrong ?

Yes, I do. I'm open to that possibility, but I'm betting the farm on my being right.  And I do have evidence.  It's just not evidence that you would take into account. I didn't just make it up out of the blue.

[Anomalocaris]

Lek, correct me if I'm wrong, but it would seem that you believe that you came from god and after you die, you will be reunited with him, connected to all he knows and be able to understand the meaning and purpose behind everything that happens in the universe.

That's pretty good.

Let's say that I believe that I was once a god devouring being that consumed all the gods that were or ever would be throughout time.

Can we both be correct in our beliefs ?

I don't think they could both be true.

Without any evidence to support either belief, we could also both be wrong.

Agreed.

In your own mind, do you account for the possibility that you could be wrong ?

Yes, I do. I'm open to that possibility, but I'm betting the farm on my being right.  And I do have evidence.  It's just not evidence that you would take into account.  I didn't just make it up out of the blue.

Someone else making it out of the blue and you being needy and suggestable does not make it even a single measure less worthless as your just making it up out of the blue.

We don't take it into account because it is worthless, as not in worth a negligible amount, but as in worth precisely zero.

[Lek]

You have such a great personality. You must have tons of friends.

[Anomalocaris]

You have such a great personality.  You must have tons of friends.

Certainly a greater personality than that which could condone the perpetuating of a con for some low joy.

[Aegon]

So you don't feel that you are reunited right now ?
What purpose would reuniting fulfill ?

Knowing the purpose for and understanding all that exists.

Do you think your god needs something from you ?
Aren't you already connected ?
Aren't you already united ?

Yes, I'm connected, but haven't fully realized total unity.

What do you think would change after you're dead ?
Do you think you would finally experience a TRUE connection to your god ?

Eventually, yes.

And what purpose will that serve ? You know, to actually see and hear god. What's the purpose of that ?

To be totally and infinitely existent.  To be intimate with every aspect of creation.

---

Once again, you are limited to this one, very small planet and trying to generalize to the whole universe. You proceed with purpose in your actions because *you* have chosen what you want to do. The vast majority of even the Earth isn't 'purposeful'. And once you get off of this little ball, the universe as a whole shows nothing even remotely like a purpose.

Once again, when the Earth was considered to be the center of the universe and the universe itself was seen to be less than, say, a couple of billion miles across, it made some sense to think of ourselves as important in the grand scheme of things.
.
But the real world isn't like that. If we made a scale model of the universe where the distance from the sun to the earth is an inch, the earth itself would be invisible. The solar system would be about three yards across. And the nearest star other than the sun would be over 4 miles away. Our galaxy would be around 100,000 miles across (on this scale, mind you). And there are hundreds of billions of galaxies that we know about.

Thinking that humans are special in any way is worse that a single ant in some ant colony in the Amazon thinking it is important to how the Earth functions.

Laughable

I don't understand why you believe that because we are a very small part of the universe that we are of little importance. All of the universe is as important as any other. We're all a part of the whole which supports the rest. It all formed from the same event and the same energy.

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I'm going to try to respond to all the posts here, but when I post once I get 5 or 6 replies, so it takes some time and thought.

"You are a function of what the whole universe is doing the same way a wave is a function of what the entire ocean is doing."

It's a beautiful way to look at life and your place in it. Why introduce God into the equation? Why is He necessary?