God, Energy and Matter

[Lek]

When I say it's his will that we make mistakes that means I'm saying he's powerless against us?  Point out where I said he's powerless against us. He can do whatever he wants and I never said otherwise.

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Yep.

So there is no free-will?

Within the boundaries he allows, which applies to our experience in this world, we have free will. That's my belief.

[The Grand Nudger]

Full on no one can do shit about it god, and an unfree free will. This, after created sick and commanded to be well.

Fine, no one can do shit about it, but that doesn’t make it any less shitty. Fine, you call it a free will...but that doesn’t make it any less constrained, even in your own retelling.

These responses you’ve been giving are only barely lucid, and coming from a person who claims that a god revealed itself and it’s detail to him....that’s concerning. Is this the sort of thing you think a god is revealing to you? Would that be informative with regards to a god....or you?

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Here’s another q, what’s the point of retaining free will after you’ve so thoroughly shitcanned any moral authority or even benevolence, completely? So what if it creates ya sick and commands we be well but we can only do whatever’s in the limits it creates for us.

There’s nothing you can do about it. Why not lean in, like before...and just learn to love the shaft? There’s no need for wheedling on about some bullshit free will you can’t even cogently describe.

[Rahn127]

Lek, god revealed to me that he's going to torture you for eternity.

I asked him why ?

He said "For the hell of it."

It's part of his plan that you will suffer for all time and there is nothing you can do about it.

I suppose you could simply NOT believe me.
Do you think that's something you could do ?
Not believe ?

Yep.

So, it would seem that you know what it's like to hear something ridiculous and summarily not believe it.

You'll make a good atheist one day.

[Nay_Sayer]

So there is no free-will?

Within the boundaries he allows, which applies to our experience in this world, we have free will.  That's my belief.

You don't quite get how free will works, do you?

Luckily the real god, FSM allows its creations, us to do as we please.  FSM only ever asks that you don't be a dick, it's kind of our only rule.
RAmen

[Lek]

Yep.

So, it would seem that you know what it's like to hear something ridiculous and summarily not believe it.

You'll make a good atheist one day.

You weren't making a statement based on what God had impressed on you or others had experienced and attested to, but rather you made up something silly for the sake of argument.

[The Grand Nudger]

How do you know that? You can’t even express how we might be able to determine that in your own case....or how you would.

You don’t seem to be much of a subject matter expert.

If you can’t take the notion that god talks to other people....and even says things that don’t agree with your own beliefs, seriously......

.........why should anyone take your completely equivalent claim seriously?

[Lek]

Within the boundaries he allows, which applies to our experience in this world, we have free will.  That's my belief.

You don't quite get how free will works, do you?

Luckily the real god, FSM allows its creations, us to do as we please.  FSM only ever asks that you don't be a dick, it's kind of our only rule.
RAmen

The real God doesn't want you to be a dick, but he allows you to be one.

[The Grand Nudger]

Which god is the real god. The one that talks to you, or the ones that talk to other people?

[Lek]

How do you know that?  You can’t even express how we might be able to determine that in your own case....or how you would.

You don’t seem to be much of a subject matter expert.

If you can’t take the notion that god talks to other people....and even says things that don’t agree with your own beliefs, seriously......

.........why should anyone take your completely equivalent claim seriously?

C'mon.  He stated himself that it was ridiculous in his last post.

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Which god is the real god.  The one that talks to you, or the ones that talk to other people?

There is only one.

[The Grand Nudger]

And is that one the one that talks to you, or one of the ones that talk to others?

You’ve already lost me when it comes to earnest belief. You don’t actually believe that other people talk to god, or that this is a legitimate concept. We can see that in your easy derision. For all you know god was talking....to you,.....through that poster.

I’m just pinging the chasm of your inability to have faith in a god. Part of the human stain, I suppose. A preference, instead, for the voices you hear in your own head. Your own voice, elevated to the status of divinity, lol.

Can you explain the difference between what you’ve been posting, and what that poster did? Some reason not to make the same assumptions about you, that you make about him? Some reason to accept something when you say it, when you reject the same when others do?

This is, ofc, rhetorical. You and I both know that you can’t. So, perhaps...for the benefit of your own faith....you might want to accept that the things god might say aren’t limited to your own beliefs, the things you hear, things you can accept, or people you would accept it from. As I see it, if this chatty instructor of a god you believe in exists, you’re in school and class is in session. We lowly posters st af are just tools. It’s your soul being improved.

-shrugs-