God, Energy and Matter

[Nay_Sayer]

Lek you seemed to skip over my locked steamer trunk full of cash offer

[Lek]

You guys are hardcore atheists and demand a specific kind of evidence which I can't give you.  If God, who is a spiritual being, is communicating himself to us, there is probably not going to be any physical evidence to show to anybody.  At the same time one will know if it's God. Your argument that billions of sane, educated people are experiencing illusions, or mistaken about what they experience doesn't hold much weight.  I think that your belief that anything might exist beyond what we can perceive by natural means is mistaken.  

The truth is that you will never accept God because he's not going to give you the evidence that you want.  I'll concede that I have nothing that will convince you that there is a God and, fortunately, God doesn't ask me to do that.

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Lek you seemed to skip over my locked steamer trunk full of cash offer

No thanks.

[Nay_Sayer]

You guys are hardcore atheists and demand a specific kind of evidence which I can't give you.  If God, who is a spiritual being, is communicating himself to us, there is probably not going to be any physical evidence to show to anybody.  At the same time one will know if it's God. Your argument that billions of sane, educated people are experiencing illusions, or mistaken about what they experience doesn't hold much weight.  I think that your belief that anything might exist beyond what we can perceive by natural means is mistaken.  

The truth is that you will never accept God because he's not going to give you the evidence that you want.  I'll concede that I have nothing that will convince you that there is a God and, fortunately, God doesn't ask me to do that.

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Lek you seemed to skip over my locked steamer trunk full of cash offer

No thanks.

Why?  You could donate the cash to a good charity

[GrandizerII]

You guys are hardcore atheists and demand a specific kind of evidence which I can't give you.  If God, who is a spiritual being, is communicating himself to us, there is probably not going to be any physical evidence to show to anybody.  At the same time one will know if it's God. Your argument that billions of sane, educated people are experiencing illusions, or mistaken about what they experience doesn't hold much weight.  I think that your belief that anything might exist beyond what we can perceive by natural means is mistaken.  

The truth is that you will never accept God because he's not going to give you the evidence that you want.  I'll concede that I have nothing that will convince you that there is a God and, fortunately, God doesn't ask me to do that.

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Lek you seemed to skip over my locked steamer trunk full of cash offer

No thanks.

I don't much care for you to present to me any evidence that your God exists (because it's clear that's not going to happen). I'm personally more interested in how you know that what you experienced is from God. You brought up being hit by a baseball bat as an analogy, and if you were to tell me you were hit by a baseball bat, I'd be like "sure, ok, hope you're ok". But if I were to be stubborn and ask you what do you mean you got hit by a bat, can you elaborate, then you'd have no problem giving me more details that show you clearly have been hit by a bat, right? For example, you'd describe to me the bruises you got as a result, or the sensation of being hit by a bat and what it felt like, you could tell me what the bat itself looked like, and so on.

But if I were to ask you to elaborate more on what you say when you experience God in your life, would you be able to describe it in a way that's as detailed and elaborate as how you answer in response to the baseball bat question? Would you be able to vividly describe how you know God exists as opposed to just asserting that you know?

[LastPoet]

You guys are hardcore atheists and demand a specific kind of evidence which I can't give you.  If God, who is a spiritual being, is communicating himself to us, there is probably not going to be any physical evidence to show to anybody.  At the same time one will know if it's God. Your argument that billions of sane, educated people are experiencing illusions, or mistaken about what they experience doesn't hold much weight.  I think that your belief that anything might exist beyond what we can perceive by natural means is mistaken.  

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Either you believe in god or you don't -.-: what is harcore about not believing in gods?

[Simon Moon]

You guys are hardcore atheists and demand a specific kind of evidence which I can't give you.

No, I am a hardcore skeptic. My atheism is a provisional position, that arises from my skepticism.

If God, who is a spiritual being, is communicating himself to us, there is probably not going to be any physical evidence to show to anybody.

Several problems with this statement.

First, you and other theists are claiming to be 'god detectors'. That is a testable claim.

Second, if you are claiming your god interacts with the physical universe and his created beings, there would be evidence of said interactions. Again, this is a testable claim.

At the same time one will know if it's God. Your argument that billions of sane, educated people are experiencing illusions, or mistaken about what they experience doesn't hold much weight.

Sure it does. There have been 1000's of different studies that show just how malleable and how easy it is to fool the human mind.

I think that your belief that anything might exist beyond what we can perceive by natural means is mistaken.

I am fully open to be proven incorrect. I love to be proven wrong, and learning new things.

Please make your case.

The truth is that you will never accept God because he's not going to give you the evidence that you want.

Why would he not want to provide us with such?

I'll concede that I have nothing that will convince you that there is a God and, fortunately, God doesn't ask me to do that.

So, in other words, we are being entirely rational by not being convinced of your, and other theists claims, that god(s) exist.

[Peebothuhlu]

At work.

Would just like to repeat the part Simon Moon pointed out;

Lek? Why would not your diety sufficiently prove itself to people? Or not want to sufficiently prove itself to people?

Cheers

[Deesse23]

You guys are hardcore atheists and demand a specific kind of evidence which I can't give you.  If God, who is a spiritual being, is communicating himself to us, there is probably not going to be any physical evidence to show to anybody.  At the same time one will know if it's God. Your argument that billions of sane, educated people are experiencing illusions, or mistaken about what they experience doesn't hold much weight.  I think that your belief that anything might exist beyond what we can perceive by natural means is mistaken.  

The truth is that you will never accept God because he's not going to give you the evidence that you want.  I'll concede that I have nothing that will convince you that there is a God ....

I am a sceptic, like Simon Moon, so there is that. Atheism just follows from that.

We dont ask you to give specific evidence. We are asking for the most easy evidence: Any evidence you can share with us. You have admitted yourself, you have no evidence at all to share with us. Noone demands physical evidence. So stop being dishonest about evidence.

And stop telling me what i will do. I´ll  accept god when you give me evidence, any evidence. But you said you dont have any to share with us. Stop lying [2].

God (so far) hasnt given me any evidence too. Any, not just evidence i want. Stop lying [3].

Billions of people believing something doesnt make it true (Islam!). It just makes their claim(s) worth investigating, which i have done. Most of them, by the way, suffer from very bad education.

You not only have no evidence that would convince me, you dont have any you can share with me at all. You have admitted to this in some previous posts. Stop being disingenuous [4]

[Lek]

You're not telling the truth. You're looking for physicality verifiable evidence. I've given you evidence, but you rejected it. Now I'm admitting that I have no evidence that would convince you. And I'm not telling you what to believe, but rather what I believe. You all asked me why. Go ahead and believe what you want.

[Simon Moon]

You're not telling the truth. You're looking for physicality verifiable evidence. I've given you evidence,  but you rejected it.  Now I'm admitting that I have no evidence that would convince you.  And I'm not telling you what to believe,  but rather what I believe.  You all asked me why. Go ahead and believe what you want.

When did you provide evidence?

All i remember are you stating your feelings that you experienced god, and some anecdotes of supernatural events.

Please point us to the posts where you provided evidence. I am sincerely asking.