Yes, Kids - ANOTHER Gun Thread

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

NZ To Enact Gun Registration Laws

I'm curious to see what some of our members think.

“Owning a firearm is a privilege not a right,” Ardern said in a statement announcing the new bill on Friday.

The new bill, details of which have already been made public and that will have its first reading on Sept. 24, will include the creation of a registry to monitor and track every firearm legally held in New Zealand.

It also tightens other rules for gun dealers and for individuals to get and keep a firearm license. License renewal for individuals was also reduced to five years from ten years.

Boru

[EgoDeath]

Owning a gun is a right in the United States.

Owning it in NZ may be considered a privilege, and that's fine.

Still, criminals don't care if guns are illegal. If it does good, then great for NZ. Couldn't say I care a whole lot, honestly.

[Brian37]

Makes me wish I had the money to migrate.

[LastPoet]

NZ To Enact Gun Registration Laws

I'm curious to see what some of our members think.

“Owning a firearm is a privilege not a right,” Ardern said in a statement announcing the new bill on Friday.

The new bill, details of which have already been made public and that will have its first reading on Sept. 24, will include the creation of a registry to monitor and track every firearm legally held in New Zealand.

It also tightens other rules for gun dealers and for individuals to get and keep a firearm license. License renewal for individuals was also reduced to five years from ten years.

Boru

It's already in place here in Portugal for a while. When my grandpa died, the cops contacted me, the heir, if I wanted to keep my gd double barreled shotgun that he used to hunt wabbits and partridge. I was tempted to keep it as a memento of the days he took me hunting, I usually lead the dogs to drive the game out while he shooted them. Alas, it was too much hassle for something I wasn't going to use (i hunt with a fork and knife in the dish).

I gave it away and got a few euros back. I thought of selling it, but it had not a market value. If it had the barrels sideways, I could've made a mint selling it to a licensed owner. It was superimposed barrels, two shot, but for some reason, there is collectors money on the sideways barreled ones.

[Brian37]

Owning a gun is a right in the United States.

Owning it in NZ may be considered a privilege,  and that's fine.

Still, criminals don't care if guns are illegal. If it does good, then great for NZ. Couldn't say I care a whole lot, honestly.

 It is a myth that firearms are stolen from your home or from a shop as a majority that lead to a crime. The truth is most firearm violence starts with a LEGALLY  purchased firearm. It is possible to LEGALLY purchase a firearm then go on to commit a crime after that legal buy. And that is where most crime happens.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

That's called an "over-and-under" in the US.

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

Owning a gun is a right in the United States.

Owning it in NZ may be considered a privilege,  and that's fine.

Still, criminals don't care if guns are illegal. If it does good, then great for NZ. Couldn't say I care a whole lot, honestly.

 It is a myth that firearms are stolen from your home or from a shop as a majority that lead to a crime. The truth is most firearm violence starts with a LEGALLY  purchased firearm. It is possible to LEGALLY purchase a firearm then go on to commit a crime after that legal buy. And that is where most crime happens.

That doesn't appear to be the case.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk...out-crime/

They found that in approximately 8 out of 10 cases, the perpetrator was not a lawful gun owner but rather in illegal possession of a gun that belonged to someone else.

Boru

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Seems they had no trouble getting a gun then.

[Brian37]

 It is a myth that firearms are stolen from your home or from a shop as a majority that lead to a crime. The truth is most firearm violence starts with a LEGALLY  purchased firearm. It is possible to LEGALLY purchase a firearm then go on to commit a crime after that legal buy. And that is where most crime happens.

That doesn't appear to be the case.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk...out-crime/

They found that in approximately 8 out of 10 cases, the perpetrator was not a lawful gun owner but rather in illegal possession of a gun that belonged to someone else.

Boru

Um this is misleading.  That "someone else" is also most likely to be a legal buyer. I wouldn't assume "got it from someone else" means stolen 100% of the time. "Got" can be a straw purchase which starts with a legal purchase, or it can be simply borrowing(most likely).  

In the home getting hold of someone else's gun in the family, would also be a matter of access, with or without permission. 

Secondly, I am talking about firearm violence, not just "crime", but actually pulling the trigger and hurting yourself and or someone you know.

Most firearm deaths are suicides. Second would be domestic violence. Third would be accidental in the home, most likely a kid getting a hold of it.

Crimes like armed robbery rarely end up in injury or death as long as the victim complies. And these types of crimes are do not constitute the majority of firearm deaths. 

Point its it is still an ease of access issue. I really hate the dodge of legal vs illegal.. And it still remains you are more likely to be injured or killed in the home by oneself or by someone you are familiar with.

Most firearm interactions are within those the person is familiar with.

EDIT..... QUOTE ARTICLE

"All guns start out as legal guns," Fabio said in an interview. But a "huge number of them" move into illegal hands. "

"All guns start out as legal guns"

Which still proves my point, access is always the key.

This means the person who legally bought it wasn't vetted well enough or responsible enough to keep them out of the wrong hands after the legal buy.  And "illegal" use after a legal buy doesn't always mean stolen from the legal buyer.

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And there is this from the New York Times.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/18/us/gun-deaths.html

[EgoDeath]

Owning a gun is a right in the United States.

Owning it in NZ may be considered a privilege,  and that's fine.

Still, criminals don't care if guns are illegal. If it does good, then great for NZ. Couldn't say I care a whole lot, honestly.

 It is a myth that firearms are stolen from your home or from a shop as a majority that lead to a crime. The truth is most firearm violence starts with a LEGALLY  purchased firearm. It is possible to LEGALLY purchase a firearm then go on to commit a crime after that legal buy. And that is where most crime happens.

Well, that's not exactly true. A study done by the Johns Hopkins Center for Gun Policy and Research which surveyed prison inmates convicted of gun crimes found that:

In the 13 states with the fewest restrictions on gun ownership, 40 percent of inmates illegally obtained the gun they used, Webster said. Only about 13 percent purchased the gun from a store or pawn shop.

In the other 37 states, about 60 percent of inmates had obtained their guns illegally. Not to mention, I actually ran in the streets for a lot of years. The guys I knew weren't worried about going to the local gun shop and passing the NICS background check. Guns were not, and still are not, hard to find on the street (this is part of why we need better gun control, though I'd argue that most of these illegal guns are coming from out of state or from clandestine manufacturers). This is, of course, purely anecdotal, but I think it's worth mentioning.

So, what you're saying is debatable, at the very least. The study did find, however, that stricter gun laws would have prohibited some individuals from being able to own guns in those states where gun laws were considered "looser."

However, that's not really the point. You're preaching to the choir here; we need better gun control in the US. Go argue with someone who actually disagrees with you Brian. Saying that this is a trend with you would be an understatement.