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RE: Being cannot come from Non-being
November 20, 2019 at 3:03 pm
Can we gets some nuts and bolts info on how a god did what you describe as impossible?
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RE: Being cannot come from Non-being
November 20, 2019 at 3:04 pm
(November 20, 2019 at 3:01 pm)Fake Messiah Wrote: (November 20, 2019 at 2:50 pm)Otangelo Wrote: , we can conclude that Life is most probably intelligently designed.
If it is intelligently designed then why is it so badly designed? Why do so many babies die because they have flawed DNA and get born deformed or without organs and they die quickly?
Why do so many people have flawed eyes and must wear glasses to see? Why are human back so weak for bipedal walking so they get pains in the back? Not to mention hemorrhoids for the same reasons. Why are testicles in humans outside and therefore uncomfortable and vulnerable? Not the evidence of intelligent designer.
Whales live in the water and breathe air. Not exactly intelligent is it.
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RE: Being cannot come from Non-being
November 20, 2019 at 3:04 pm
Didn't answer my question
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RE: Being cannot come from Non-being
November 20, 2019 at 3:10 pm
(November 20, 2019 at 3:04 pm)downbeatplumb Wrote: (November 20, 2019 at 3:01 pm)Fake Messiah Wrote: If it is intelligently designed then why is it so badly designed? Why do so many babies die because they have flawed DNA and get born deformed or without organs and they die quickly?
Why do so many people have flawed eyes and must wear glasses to see? Why are human back so weak for bipedal walking so they get pains in the back? Not to mention hemorrhoids for the same reasons. Why are testicles in humans outside and therefore uncomfortable and vulnerable? Not the evidence of intelligent designer.
Whales live in the water and breathe air. Not exactly intelligent is it.
That is what theists seem to be doing all the time: making a big dance around actual questions. It is very easy to disprove intelligent design, so they just go around and around, talk about machines on the dark side of the Moon and whatnot, but it still makes no sense.
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RE: Being cannot come from Non-being
November 20, 2019 at 3:26 pm
This new chew toy does not appear to be much fun. It talks at you and not to you.
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RE: Being cannot come from Non-being
November 20, 2019 at 3:43 pm
Old shite, he might thought he was original, going trough WLC underwear.. oh well, its near the godboy proported birthday so we might have some more of these.
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RE: Being cannot come from Non-being
November 20, 2019 at 4:07 pm
At work.
While I understand it might be a bit overwhelming trying to keep abreast and reply to so many interlocutors....
What might Otangelo's thoughts be on Mister Craig's change of view/opinion in regards to Craig's now understanding/experiance with quantum uncertainty?
Since things such as Hawking radiation and nuclear decay objectively and demonstrably occur within reality.
This even without having the added complexity of temporality being involved.
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RE: Being cannot come from Non-being
November 20, 2019 at 4:54 pm
First you seem to have jumped from "what caused the universe" to "intelligent design" as though they are the same!
Second we don't know what caused the big bang (although we have a pretty good idea up to a tiny fraction of a second afterwards) but "I don't know does not mean "A god did it" it just means we don't know (yet)
A few hundred years ago we did not know what caused sickness or lightning and blamed them on gods or demons, now we know better (well, most of us do!)
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RE: Being cannot come from Non-being
November 20, 2019 at 5:20 pm
Otangelo, two questions.
1. You claim that everything that exists must have a beginning. Is that correct?
2. You claim that god exists. Is that correct?
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RE: Being cannot come from Non-being
November 20, 2019 at 5:52 pm
(November 20, 2019 at 5:20 pm)Abaddon_ire Wrote: Otangelo, two questions.
1. You claim that everything that exists must have a beginning. Is that correct?
2. You claim that god exists. Is that correct?
I'll save his trouble, god is special, it always existed 
Meh heard this canard so many times....
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