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RE: Question about a specific claimed miracle
February 9, 2020 at 9:08 am
(February 9, 2020 at 9:03 am)anonymous89 Wrote: (February 9, 2020 at 8:58 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: If you don't take non-religious people seriously, why did you come to an atheist message board to ask about your alleged miracle?
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I definitely did not say that I don't take non-religious people seriously, as I am also not religious. If you read what I wrote, I said that I do not take religious people"like you" seriously. Snarky people and disrespectful comments that have not been thought out do not deserve to go without a comment. I hope I have made myself clear and do not have to explain myself any further
lol, nice try.
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RE: Question about a specific claimed miracle
February 9, 2020 at 9:08 am
Don't ever underestimate religious Preachers/ clergy and their desires to fool you with cheap tricks and gimmicks to get your money. Here's an ex Christian preacher revealing some religious gimmicks
Video:
teachings of the Bible are so muddled and self-contradictory that it was possible for Christians to happily burn heretics alive for five long centuries. It was even possible for the most venerated patriarchs of the Church, like St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas, to conclude that heretics should be tortured (Augustine) or killed outright (Aquinas). Martin Luther and John Calvin advocated the wholesale murder of heretics, apostates, Jews, and witches. - Sam Harris, "Letter To A Christian Nation"
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RE: Question about a specific claimed miracle
February 9, 2020 at 9:09 am
(February 9, 2020 at 9:00 am)anonymous89 Wrote: (February 9, 2020 at 8:49 am)onlinebiker Wrote: "He is searched by an Israeli police officer"...
Are you familiar with the term "shill"?
If not - look it up.
Then decide which is more likely - shill or "magic".
It is definitely possible. From what I've heard though, Jews and Christians don't tend to get along in Israel.
Are you going to be the cop who starts a riot by claiming to have "found" the priest in possession of a book of matches?
Not me boy.
They can have their "miracle".
The schmucks...
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RE: Question about a specific claimed miracle
February 9, 2020 at 9:10 am
(February 9, 2020 at 9:08 am)Mr.wizard Wrote: (February 9, 2020 at 9:03 am)anonymous89 Wrote: I definitely did not say that I don't take non-religious people seriously, as I am also not religious. If you read what I wrote, I said that I do not take religious people"like you" seriously. Snarky people and disrespectful comments that have not been thought out do not deserve to go without a comment. I hope I have made myself clear and do not have to explain myself any further
What was wrong with my comment? The point is if the priest is taking an unlit candle out of view and coming back with it it lit and he is the only one in the room, then him lighting it seems like the best explanation.
I am not really concerned about how it is lit. I am more curious about scientific explanations of cool-burning fire. I'm sorry if my initial post wasn't clearer.
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RE: Question about a specific claimed miracle
February 9, 2020 at 9:19 am
(February 9, 2020 at 9:10 am)anonymous89 Wrote: (February 9, 2020 at 9:08 am)Mr.wizard Wrote: What was wrong with my comment? The point is if the priest is taking an unlit candle out of view and coming back with it it lit and he is the only one in the room, then him lighting it seems like the best explanation.
I am not really concerned about how it is lit. I am more curious about scientific explanations of cool-burning fire. I'm sorry if my initial post wasn't clearer.
Cool burning fire is just another magic trick.
Consult Jasper Maskelyne....
He has that shit down in WWII....
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RE: Question about a specific claimed miracle
February 9, 2020 at 9:31 am
(This post was last modified: February 9, 2020 at 9:34 am by Mr.wizard.)
(February 9, 2020 at 9:10 am)anonymous89 Wrote: (February 9, 2020 at 9:08 am)Mr.wizard Wrote: What was wrong with my comment? The point is if the priest is taking an unlit candle out of view and coming back with it it lit and he is the only one in the room, then him lighting it seems like the best explanation.
I am not really concerned about how it is lit. I am more curious about scientific explanations of cool-burning fire. I'm sorry if my initial post wasn't clearer.
This also seems obvious, the candle is obviously dipped in something that burns cool, as this solution burns off the flame gets gradually hotter.
Why wouldn't how the candles lit make a difference, after all the spontaneous lighting of the candle is a big part of the alleged miracle? If they are faking the lighting of the candle why what would make you think that the cool burning part is a miracle from god?
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RE: Question about a specific claimed miracle
February 9, 2020 at 9:55 am
(February 9, 2020 at 7:51 am)anonymous89 Wrote: [edit] I am still a member of the Orthodox Christian Church. [edit]
[edit] Please take a look at the video and respond with your thoughts. edit] Hello. I see that you have stated that your not religious but claim to be a member of a church. Hmm.......
I looked at the videos and note that there are only "believers" claiming that the fire has special powers. It's interesting that there is not an unbiased party claiming the fire's virtues.
In the first vid the guys beard starts smoking, then he pulls the fire away and chokes of any oxygen with his fingers, twice. From then forward he never leaves the flame in one spot long enough to cause damage.
Have you looked at the many other videos with fire and flesh where nobody is claiming "god did it"?
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RE: Question about a specific claimed miracle
February 9, 2020 at 10:56 am
If this trick can be duplicated by professional magicians, you have your answer.
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RE: Question about a specific claimed miracle
February 9, 2020 at 12:30 pm
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In God's defense, it is more efficient to allow con artists to perform simple sleight of hand tricks than for Him to come all the way down here and really impress us. He is probably busy creating alternative universes or something. Better to let the gullible be awestruck by flim flammers and hack magicians. They have served Him well as confederates for millennia.
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RE: Question about a specific claimed miracle
February 9, 2020 at 1:23 pm
(February 9, 2020 at 7:51 am)anonymous89 Wrote: Greetings! I am currently at a crossroads in my life regarding my beliefs in the supernatural. I do not really want to go into it at this point. It is too messy to hash all out over a forum thread. Anyway, I have listened to a lot of Richard Dawkins and Lawrence Krauss lately as well as the Atheist Experience. At this point, I am not really a proponent of Atheism or a specific religion. I am still a member of the Orthodox Christian Church.
I came across some videos online regarding a purported miracle that is claimed to take place every year on Holy Saturday before Easter. Basically the Orthodox Bishop of Jerusalem goes into the claimed tomb of Jesus. Before hand he is searched by an Israeli police officer for any lighters, matches, etc. He then emerges from the tomb with a lit candle that is said not to burn the skin for the first 20 or so minutes after the bishop emerges. Supposedly scientific research has been performed and the fire's temperature has been taken and it burns cool.
I have a video that has a pilgrim in Jerusalem holding the fire on his skin and running it through his beard. Please take a look at the video and respond with your thoughts. How is this individual's beard not even slightly harmed by the fire? Is there a scientific explanation for any of this? I have heard people claim that it could be white phosphorus that spontaneously combusts, but that would still involve heat.
Thank you in advance for any responses.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4kZu87tyqJ4
Here is also a video that discusses the supposed scientific study of this alleged miracle:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vgEL7kiMu40
I don't know how Penn And Teller do a lot of things. Many of them more miraculous seeming than this. So I would guess its some kind of trick.
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