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RE: The problem with "Holy Places".
February 19, 2020 at 5:46 pm
Generally looking at sites of immense carnage and the paraphernalia of state for our holy places.
OTOH, we've got the National Parks, too.
(there's overlap)
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RE: The problem with "Holy Places".
February 19, 2020 at 8:14 pm
(February 19, 2020 at 12:30 pm)OakTree500 Wrote: For me it's the same sort of thing when someone says a house is haunted.
Like why is haunted? What makes a house "special" to contain a supposed free-roaming spirit? Why is the spirit always wearing clothes, did their clothes die? Why are their not Dinosaur ghosts? If a ghost can walk through walls, why do they not fall through the earth when 'walking' or sitting down or whatever ghost's do.
A house is just bricks/wood formed into a pattern of straight lines, there is nothing overtly special that means a demon would be stuck in there or whatever. Same with Holy places - Who decided which part is holy? Is there like a 'Border' of knowing when you're in the holy place and not just in a non holy section?
With regards to the 'dinosaur' component; I have heard it claimed that ghost dinosaurs were misidentified and became the origin of the dragon stories. Otherwise most of Europe was at the bottom of the Tethys Sea and thus any ghosts would be below sea level. Feel free to apply as much salt as you like, Tethys left vast quantities of the stuff.
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RE: The problem with "Holy Places".
February 20, 2020 at 5:25 am
(February 19, 2020 at 8:14 pm)Mr Greene Wrote: With regards to the 'dinosaur' component; I have heard it claimed that ghost dinosaurs were misidentified and became the origin of the dragon stories. Otherwise most of Europe was at the bottom of the Tethys Sea and thus any ghosts would be below sea level. Feel free to apply as much salt as you like, Tethys left vast quantities of the stuff.
That's actually a really interesting take on that, could explain sea monsters? Still, you'd think they'd have to be contained by the sea somehow, but there you go lol. It also applies to animal spirits as well. Do plants have spirits? If clothing does then possibly lol.
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RE: The problem with "Holy Places".
February 20, 2020 at 7:27 am
Spirits? There's a topic worth the time. Scotch drinker here.
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RE: The problem with "Holy Places".
February 20, 2020 at 6:42 pm
(February 20, 2020 at 5:25 am)OakTree500 Wrote: (February 19, 2020 at 8:14 pm)Mr Greene Wrote: With regards to the 'dinosaur' component; I have heard it claimed that ghost dinosaurs were misidentified and became the origin of the dragon stories. Otherwise most of Europe was at the bottom of the Tethys Sea and thus any ghosts would be below sea level. Feel free to apply as much salt as you like, Tethys left vast quantities of the stuff.
That's actually a really interesting take on that, could explain sea monsters? Still, you'd think they'd have to be contained by the sea somehow, but there you go lol. It also applies to animal spirits as well. Do plants have spirits? If clothing does then possibly lol.
If you look at the geology the bed rock is a red salty sandstone with lumps of limestone and chalk that used to be coral reefs and a few swampy islands that became our coal fields. Fossil-wise we have ammonites, icthyosaurs and plesiosaurs.
As for other animal ghosts there are more than enough 'black dogs' to shake a stick at and a few horses and carriages, particularly along the A57.
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RE: The problem with "Holy Places".
February 26, 2020 at 2:25 am
Do you ever visit holy places as a tourist? Like would you walk over 7,500 feet of stairs to visit these two Buddhist Temples in China?
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RE: The problem with "Holy Places".
February 26, 2020 at 3:21 am
(February 19, 2020 at 10:54 am)onlinebiker Wrote: Anyone who claims that a place is holy is promoting the idea that we are the center of the universe.
There are no fixed points in reality.
The Earth rotates, which in turn orbits the sun, which in turn orbits the galaxy center, ect....
Due to our movement that "holy spot" moved away from us at the rate of a light year every 1500 years or so.
Any supreme being who creates holy spots shouldn't have to follow us about readjusting his spot to account for our movement.....
Im not sure where u got that definition of a holy place but as far as i understand it has nothing to do with being in the center of the universe...
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RE: The problem with "Holy Places".
February 26, 2020 at 7:03 am
(February 26, 2020 at 3:21 am)Agnostico Wrote: (February 19, 2020 at 10:54 am)onlinebiker Wrote: Anyone who claims that a place is holy is promoting the idea that we are the center of the universe.
There are no fixed points in reality.
The Earth rotates, which in turn orbits the sun, which in turn orbits the galaxy center, ect....
Due to our movement that "holy spot" moved away from us at the rate of a light year every 1500 years or so.
Any supreme being who creates holy spots shouldn't have to follow us about readjusting his spot to account for our movement.....
Im not sure where u got that definition of a holy place but as far as i understand it has nothing to do with being in the center of the universe...
He means that Mecca (for example) is constantly changing its location. Thus, the idea of a 'fixed' place would require either that everything moves except us or that nothing in the universe ever moves.
But, as had been said, a 'holy' place has much more to do with culture and history than it does with geography and topology.
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RE: The problem with "Holy Places".
February 26, 2020 at 7:07 am
(February 26, 2020 at 2:25 am)Fake Messiah Wrote: Do you ever visit holy places as a tourist? Like would you walk over 7,500 feet of stairs to visit these two Buddhist Temples in China?
Well, I've climbed Croagh Patrick (kept me boots on, though).
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RE: The problem with "Holy Places".
February 26, 2020 at 1:22 pm
DeLoreans going 88 mph fom 85 to 55 would end up in space.
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