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#41
RE: angel story video form
If a persons worldview is positively informed by fallacies - then those fallacies will be more compelling than a valid argument.

Even if the valid argument swirls around a similar conclusion.

The fact that this ad pop is itself a profound misrepresentation of facts is similarly incapable of giving a nutbar pause. It doesn't matter to any believer that the god they report having sensed is sensed by no one other than themselves. Two christians sitting side by side in the pews can't manage it, and it's clear that every sect and every other faith and every other independent god botherer in the world sees something else. In mere reality, atheists could present a clear majority on this particular issue. None of their god senses agree....but all of ours do. Ad pop accomplished!

Meanwhile, there is a valid form of the purported observation. Human beings experience a sense of the numinous, all of us. This intuition is informed in many but not all ways by factual exterior relationships.
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#42
RE: angel story video form
(March 23, 2020 at 2:14 pm)Drich Wrote:
(March 20, 2020 at 9:04 pm)Paleophyte Wrote: Right. Angels. Because what a Deity that can Create universes really needs is lackeys.

first time to christianity?

see what happens when you have more than atheist to talk to? you get to hear the reason behind angels, or at least have that opportunity, and then.... AND THEN.... discuss.

Nope. What reasons? Why does an all-powerful god need servants? Makes no sense.

And what you met was not an angel. According to your story it was a flesh and blood mortal who needed a lift. Hardly divine. He knew some things about you and your life. Sounds like one of your church members told a friend your tale and asked him to scare you straight. It's an old trick called a warm reading. Religious frauds have been using it for thousands of years.
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#43
RE: angel story video form
(March 24, 2020 at 5:24 pm)Paleophyte Wrote:
(March 23, 2020 at 2:14 pm)Drich Wrote: first time to christianity?

see what happens when you have more than atheist to talk to? you get to hear the reason behind angels, or at least have that opportunity, and then.... AND THEN.... discuss.

Nope. What reasons? Why does an all-powerful god need servants? Makes no sense.

And what you met was not an angel. According to your story it was a flesh and blood mortal who needed a lift. Hardly divine. He knew some things about you and your life. Sounds like one of your church members told a friend your tale and asked him to scare you straight. It's an old trick called a warm reading. Religious frauds have been using it for thousands of years.

that's your failed God. Your idea of God claims to be all powerful your god does not make sense.

My God the God of the bible is a site more than all powerful. he is in fact an infinite measure above all powerful, he is an alpha and omega. An alpha and omega does what he wants, nothing to stop him no one to answer to like a the definition all powerful. alpha and omega means his will first. If he wants servants then he has servants. 

see how this discussion works? Atheist stoo-ped idea get corrected by someone who knows the bible. can't have that if you chase those people away.. how long did you ask this same question to a bunch of like minded people and get nothing but pats on the back for being the same level of ignorant everyone else is?

did you listen to the story? dude did not need a lift. as he came out of nowhere and returned to no where just as fast. he needed a ride to tell me of my past present and future. that is the opposite of a guy needing a lift. are you so dishonest you can not allow yourself the truth? will it fracture your little mind to consider everything i said to be true?

He told me of the :
PAST Which no one knew about

The present only my sister and I knew about as we were the only two who lived it. remember i was going to my uncle my dads brother to talk to him and calm him down. he did not even know what was going on.

and the future. which no one can no about which agains has and is play out now still!

would it break your little mind and heart to think out of all the people God simply passed you by.. that if you after your considerable efforts did not find God there can't be a god?
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#44
RE: angel story video form
(March 24, 2020 at 5:24 pm)Paleophyte Wrote:
(March 23, 2020 at 2:14 pm)Drich Wrote: first time to christianity?

see what happens when you have more than atheist to talk to? you get to hear the reason behind angels, or at least have that opportunity, and then.... AND THEN.... discuss.

Nope. What reasons? Why does an all-powerful god need servants? Makes no sense.

And what you met was not an angel. According to your story it was a flesh and blood mortal who needed a lift. Hardly divine. He knew some things about you and your life. Sounds like one of your church members told a friend your tale and asked him to scare you straight. It's an old trick called a warm reading. Religious frauds have been using it for thousands of years.
Note he never actually refutes your comment .Just babbles on .
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#45
RE: angel story video form
(March 25, 2020 at 1:26 pm)Drich Wrote: My God the God of the bible is a site more than all powerful. he is in fact an infinite measure above all powerful, he is an alpha and omega. An alpha and omega does what he wants, nothing to stop him no one to answer to like a the definition all powerful.

You should take this "My god's biggerer than yours!" act on the road. A busy highway for preference. I haven't heard the infinity plus one argument since my kid brother grew pubes.

Quote:If he wants servants then he has servants.

So your "reasons" boil down to a capricious god and "mysterious ways". How original.

Quote:see how this discussion works?

Yup. You flaunt your room temperature IQ and consistently fail to impress.

Quote:did you listen to the story?

Hell no. I respect my brain cells too much to abuse them like that. Your videos should be covered by the Geneva Convention under the Cruel and Unusual Treatment section.

Quote:dude did not need a lift.

Right. Try and get your story straight.

(June 15, 2012 at 12:09 am)Drich Wrote: On the way I stopped at a poorly lit store who sat lower than the rest of the road, (That meant one could see the whole parking lot.) I pulled in and opened the door to the cold, and to my surprise stood a very tall black man wearing a army jacket, a black beanie, gloves with no fingers, and dirty blue jeans with nasty work boots.

He genuine scared me because I am usually very aware of my surroundings and he came from no where. I must of stood there with a shocked expression because He said, I didn't mean to scare you, but I was just released from prison and need your help. At that point I said to myself strike 3 sucker I'm out of here, but I must of blurted out something like, what do you need? He told me, "I need to get to so and so's house before my parole officer calls at 7, It's just a few miles away." I said ok, but I need to get some drinks because my uncle is expecting me.

You have a poorly dressed "angel" with a parole officer who needs your help to get to some guy's house?

Son, you done been suckered.

(March 25, 2020 at 6:59 pm)SUNGULA Wrote: Note he never actually refutes your comment .Just babbles on .

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#46
RE: angel story video form
In the bible god was never alone.

He was a not popular king of a range of different beings. You can tell he wasn't popular because the angels rebelled against him.

Rank Angel Notes
1 Chayot Ha Kodesh See Ezekiel 1,10
2 Ophanim see Ezekiel 1,10
3 Erelim See Isaiah 33:7
4 Hashmallim See Ezekiel 1:4
5 Seraphim See Isaiah 6
6 Malakim Messengers, angels
7 Elohim "Godly beings"
8 Bene Elohim "Sons of Godly beings"
9 Cherubim See Hagigah 13b
10 Ishim "manlike beings", see Genesis 18:2, Daniel 10:5

Where does he get the angels from? Why do they rebel when they should have known it was a lost cause if he had all the power you say.



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#47
RE: angel story video form
(March 25, 2020 at 6:59 pm)SUNGULA Wrote:
(March 24, 2020 at 5:24 pm)Paleophyte Wrote: Nope. What reasons? Why does an all-powerful god need servants? Makes no sense.

And what you met was not an angel. According to your story it was a flesh and blood mortal who needed a lift. Hardly divine. He knew some things about you and your life. Sounds like one of your church members told a friend your tale and asked him to scare you straight. It's an old trick called a warm reading. Religious frauds have been using it for thousands of years.
Note he never actually refutes your comment .Just babbles on .

retard the comment was refuted when i corrected his understanding of the nature and power of God. By definition it would be pointless for an all powerful god to need anything. let alone servants. which is why he and people like him adopt this aspect of God. because it creates a paradox.

I refuted the paradox when i corrected the exegetical nature of God I corrected his interpretation. from all powerful to powerful enough to do what he wants. IE if this version of God wanted servants despite his power he would have servants.

do you need me to connect any more dots for you? do you need me to explain anything else as if you were 5?

(March 25, 2020 at 9:58 pm)Paleophyte Wrote: You should take this "My god's biggerer than yours!" act on the road. A busy highway for preference. I haven't heard the infinity plus one argument since my kid brother grew pubes.
don't be jelly just because another goto atheist paradox falls before a proper reading of scripture.

Quote:So your "reasons" boil down to a capricious god and "mysterious ways". How original.
that's quite a stretch. I said If god want servants he will have servants... nothing mystical about that is there? Same as can God create a rock so big he can not lift it? again alpha and omega Can if he wants to can't if he doesn't. the answer point to the power of God exceeding the nature of the term use to define him. IE omnipotent means all powerful which locks God into taking the position of the most power would do. which is why his ability to create a rock big enough he can not lift it is a paradox for this understanding of god. How ever again the omnimax God can if he wants can't if he doesn't. this shows power greater than the onimax who is limited by his very own definitions.

Quote:Yup. You flaunt your room temperature IQ and consistently fail to impress.
unlike your lukewarm attempts to match my answers with the stereotypical fodder you put on all q and a you do not expect a answer from.

"Oh how typical god works in mysterious ways." Hilarious doosh

Quote:Hell no. I respect my brain cells too much to abuse them like that. Your videos should be covered by the Geneva Convention under the Cruel and Unusual Treatment section.
translation: nothing topical nor important to say. just trying to red herring and disrupt you here because it is boring to talking atheist only at AD.

Great thanks sport.

Quote:Right. Try and get your story straight.
if you did not listen to the story how do you my story is not right?

Quote:You have a poorly dressed "angel" with a parole officer who needs your help to get to some guy's house?

Son, you done been suckered.
dummy, dude came from no where. i saw an empty parking lot when i pulled in and i open the door and boom he were there from out of nowhere.

Then again when he left i spun the car around in less than 2 or 3 seconds and he was again gone. His ablity to appear and disappear at will means transportation for this being was not an issue.

He needed the ride to one test me if I did indeed love my neighbor (stinking and intimidating) as my self and two to help me by giving me my life in a 5 or 10 min outline.

(March 26, 2020 at 5:01 am)downbeatplumb Wrote: In the bible god was never alone.

He was a not popular king of a range of different beings. You can tell he wasn't popular because the angels rebelled against him.

Rank Angel Notes
1 Chayot Ha Kodesh See Ezekiel 1,10
2 Ophanim see Ezekiel 1,10
3 Erelim See Isaiah 33:7
4 Hashmallim See Ezekiel 1:4
5 Seraphim See Isaiah 6
6 Malakim Messengers, angels
7 Elohim "Godly beings"
8 Bene Elohim "Sons of Godly beings"
9 Cherubim See Hagigah 13b
10 Ishim "manlike beings", see Genesis 18:2, Daniel 10:5

Where does he get the angels from? Why do they rebel when they should have known it was a lost cause if he had all the power you say.

where do angels come from? we get or lead to believe they were apart of the creations "of the heavens and the earth" gen 1:1

Some believe they are inservice or apart of the Holy Spirit. they are the hands of the Holy Spirit.

Why did they rebel? for the same reason you do. the lie of sin and perceived freedom. Others say they were jealous. they were the first of the sons of God, and were made to serve man, whom God gave a soul. To some became jealous of man and hated man because we took the full measure of God's love from them.

Lucifer is stated for being jealous of God and wanted to usurp God. So he used lies and sin to offer those who felt unloved or betrayed what they thought they wanted.

Some teach the parable of the prodigal son is about us and the angels.  that man is the prodigal son for scorned the father took our inheritance (earth) squandered it/gave it over to satan and returned where God gave us full rank and station back, where as the sons that stayed (angels/some of them) were jealous and were angery because the father never allowed them to have a party and they stood by his side and he never did so much for them.

And they left or were banished because they hated us, and now God for choosing us over them. providing us with atonement and not them.
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#48
RE: angel story video form
Actually all you did was add more babble on top of the babble and thus refuted nothing
"Change was inevitable"


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#49
RE: angel story video form
(March 26, 2020 at 12:39 pm)Drich Wrote: I said If god want servants he will have servants

This is neither a reason nor an explanation, it's just bald assertion. You still can't explain why your god wants servants. Start with why your god wants at all.

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Quote:Right. Try and get your story straight.
if you did not listen to the story how do you my story is not right?

Some of us can read. You might have guessed this from the way that I quoted you.

Or are you still worried about driving up your views on Youtube?

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Quote:You have a poorly dressed "angel" with a parole officer who needs your help to get to some guy's house?

Son, you done been suckered.
dummy, dude came from no where. i saw an empty parking lot when i pulled in and i open the door and boom he were there from out of nowhere.

No, you simply didn't notice where he came from. Could that be because it was dimly lit and you were cold, distracted, and in a hurry?

What part of the "I'm dodging my parole officer" bit did you miss? You were literally conned.

Quote:Then again when he left i spun the car around in less than 2 or 3 seconds and he was again gone.

Don't all your dates end that way? The ability to evade a dazzled bumpkin is not a Divine attribute.
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#50
RE: angel story video form
(March 26, 2020 at 7:14 pm)SUNGULA Wrote: Actually all you did was add more babble on top of the babble and thus refuted nothing
i did notice how you are actually doing what you are claiming i am doing. you are not broaching the subject in any way you make an accusation and simply babble on with your scripted message despite what i do say.

(March 26, 2020 at 11:36 pm)Paleophyte Wrote:
(March 26, 2020 at 12:39 pm)Drich Wrote: I said If god want servants he will have servants

This is neither a reason nor an explanation, it's just bald assertion.
actually it is not just an assertion. it is the direct result of the explanation of the authority derived from the power of an alpha and omega God. you simple want to white wash over a term you have never been shown how to argue. As an Alpha and Omega God is not subject to any authority other than his own being the alpha means he is the first authority to which all others are subject. then being the omega his word or will is the say on a given matter. there are no other appeals or powers great enough to over turn what God decides.

The answer to your question Why does God have servants, because as alpha and omega He can do what he wants.

The next thing that should be asked or followed up if you want to know why he wants servants is to ask Does God or does the bible say why he wants servants. the answer to that question is yes. it is modeled out through out the OT in many different character's lives. the long and short of it was when a outsider wanted to marry into a wealthy family the patriarch would take this newcomer in as a servant or slave for 7 years. to see if he was worth of the title and lands he would one day inherit (through marriage) Joseph's story also mirrors this pattern as he was taken as a slave, the pharaoh saw he was worthy to run the day to day operations of egypt and because as a son to him and literally ran the empire in the name of the emperor.

God has servants so they/we can learn how to be family/sons.

Quote: You still can't explain why your god wants servants. Start with why your god wants at all.
because again he is the alpha and omega. so why would an alpha and omega want? for anything? for the preservation of consciousness and independent thought in the being he gave this gift to.. because if he willed everything we then would not be independent thinkers. (not to be confused with free will)

Quote:if you did not listen to the story how do you my story is not right?
Quote:Some of us can read. You might have guessed this from the way that I quoted you.

Or are you still worried about driving up your views on Youtube?
clearly you did not read all of it. nor watched it. because again dude came from no where and appeared before me as fast as it takes to get out of a car and disappeared as fast as it took to do a uturn. which was demonstrated in the very parking lot.

Quote:No, you simply didn't notice where he came from. Could that be because it was dimly lit and you were cold, distracted, and in a hurry?
nuupe. covered in the video and in the written version i could see the whole parking lot from the road as the road was much higher then. i was alone when i pulled in.
Quote:What part of the "I'm dodging my parole officer" bit did you miss? You were literally conned.
not dogging moron. he needed to get home before the parole officer called, and he was too far from home to make it on time. that was the story to get the ride, and once on the ride. he told me of my past present and future without a single word from me.

why do you keep leaving that out and only looking at the mechanics of the story you can quantify... oh, that's right you guys are dishonest by nature and figure everyone else is too so anything you do not want to deal with you ignore, because that could be true..


Quote:Then again when he left i spun the car around in less than 2 or 3 seconds and he was again gone.


Don't all your dates end that way? The ability to evade a dazzled bumpkin is not a Divine attribute.
no. again in the video there is at least 100 yards between where i dropped him off and any cover. know anyone who can do the 100 yard dash in under 2 seconds from a standing start with a got all my stuff in a duffle bag kind of duffle bag?
that would be a miracle in of itself.


and i'm happily married for 18ish years now.
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