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Does humanity deserve Corona?
RE: Does humanity deserve Corona?
(March 25, 2020 at 1:48 pm)Mr Greene Wrote: In other words the original claim by Atlass is false.

Why does that information about Bangladesh show that his original claim is false? I see no connection.

However the claim you seemed to be making, about financial rules intrinsic to Muslim countries that cause them inevitably to fail, does seem to be unproven. The only particular flaw you cite is about interest, and I've shown that interest is used in Bangladesh. Perhaps there are other rules which you haven't told us about yet.
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RE: Does humanity deserve Corona?
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Quote:I don't understand why you'd come to a discussion forum, and then proceed to reap from visibility any voice that disagrees with you. If you're going to do that, why not just sit in front of a mirror and pat yourself on the back continuously?
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RE: Does humanity deserve Corona?
The OP reminds me of why I hate religious people, yet again.
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RE: Does humanity deserve Corona?
(March 25, 2020 at 8:03 am)Grandizer Wrote:
(March 21, 2020 at 11:04 am)WinterHold Wrote: You cry because Coronavirus is killing some thousands of you.

But why didn't you cry for Chinese Uighur Muslims butchered by the communist government?
Why didn't you cry for the Millions in Syria killed by Assad?
Why didn't you cry for Millions killed in Yemen by Saudi/U.A.E airstrikes?
Why didn't you cry for thousands tortured in prisons of Saudi Arabia?

Does humanity of today deserve covid-19 ?
I say yes.
Millions would also say yes.

Just like when the Black Death came.

Took me a while to realize you're Atlas.

Anyway, I think this is a bad idea of a thread because you fucked up with the "deserve" bit. And I suspect some of the attacks on you here appear to be made in bad faith. You may have bigotry issues (don't we all) but you're not a monster.

Coronavirus is a worldwide problem affecting everyone as you know. It's not just Westerners "paying" for it. And it is a health issue as much as it is an economic one.

Whatever point you're trying to make is being ruined by the way you're wording things and it's not fair at all to say that billions of people are asking for this problem.

To answer your rhetorical questions, it's because human individuals generally don't have the faculties and resources to do, or even care enough to do, what it takes to help thousands or millions of other people living in remote regions with which they have no familiarity. It doesn't mean there isn't an ounce of sympathy and sadness for the sufferings of others, though.

I believe that the economic system -which was built by western imperialism- is the main target of all of this.
I think I said "Millions" not "Billions"; mainly the victims of wars -like the one in Syria and Yemen- and any person damaged by this economical system unfairly.

People can help those victim with simple things; if they changed their opinions alone and stopped electing people like "Trump" or cheering to people like MBS, then change will be immense.

But if a disease -or as I call it a mosquito sting- hit that unfair imperial system; then so many will feel relieved.

(March 25, 2020 at 4:18 pm)The Valkyrie Wrote: I noticed that you completely ignored almost everything I said.

So, to break it down:

- The Islamic book of myths is based directly on the Christian and Hebrew book of myths, so your saying that you're looking from an Islamic point of view is moot.

Islam had predecessors which are Christianity, Judaism.before them the Hanifia of Prophet Abraham and before them the religion of Prophet Noah.
It's an ancient chain ending with today's Islam.

But the Christianity we have today was re-written by the Roman empire:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Council_of_Nicaea

And Judaism was re-written by many Rabbis.

I believe in the final version of the ancient religion, not in what Rome wrote or some Rabbis wrote.



Quote:- Non-believers aren't responsible for the state of the Islamic world.  That would be down to the dictators and religious leaders in the region with help from individuals and groups from the outside.


Not totally, but they are for a big part.
My Muslim world was invaded and even cut to pieces by imperialistic powers from Europe,
Please revise this historical article:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sykes%E2%8..._Agreement



Quote:- I've grown very tired of hearing the whole "it's because of white men and colonial powers that we're the way we are" whine.  It's as if you ignore the Islamic invasion of Europe and much of the Middle East, Africa, and Asia.

But you neglected the Roman invasion to Muslims which sparked the very first battles between Islam and Romans:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab%E2%80...ntine_wars
And please don't try justifying Islamic colonialism/conquest while criticising European powers for doing the same thing.

No; the Europeans -and imperialistic powers later- are the cause of a very big part of the Middle-East's mess.

Quote:As soon as we come up with a good alternative to oil, the whole ME region will likely end up the way it has been for millennia and, hopefully, outside interests will leave the whole mess alone.

millennia ?
Sykes-Picot and most of the wars Europe fought against Muslims were before the discovery of oil.
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RE: Does humanity deserve Corona?
(March 26, 2020 at 8:55 am)Mr Greene Wrote: [Image: fbowwu6.jpg?w=640]

I agree! When examining issues about governance in the Muslim world, we need evidence. Not just unsupported assertions. For example:

You asserted that Muslims are forbidden from using interest in banking. As counter-evidence against this claim, I can offer several facts. 

Here is the page from the national Bank of Bangladesh showing current interest rates:
https://www.bb.org.bd/econdata/intrate.php

Here is the page from the CEIC on long term interest rates in Bangladesh:
https://www.ceicdata.com/en/indicator/ba...erest-rate

Here is an article from the Daily Star newspaper in Bangladesh on how interest rates on savings deposits decreased, causing anger and alarm among depositors. If all the depositors thought that interest was forbidden by their religion, they would not have opposed a rate drop:
https://www.thedailystar.net/business/de...nt-1847881

So at least one of your assertions does not survive scrutiny. The government, banks, and investors in at least one Muslim-majority country have no problem with interest. For your assertion, that Islam forbids interest, to be persuasive I think you'll have to offer some pretty strong counter-evidence. 

You have also asserted that majority Muslim former colonies have failed economically due to Islamic rules about finance. Other than the law against interest, which has now been shown to be not in force, you haven't pointed to any Muslim rules that cause such failure. Meanwhile, it's obvious that many many non-Muslim-majority countries have economic difficulties due to interference from more powerful countries. To show that such interference is NOT a factor in poor Muslim countries will require strong counter-evidence. 

You assert without evidence that Muslims are considered high-risk for bank loans. I don't know how to discover the banks' lending policies, and I'm pretty sure that a bank in the US which discriminated on the basis of religion would not advertise that fact. As evidence, though, that Muslims participate normally in the banking systems I can point to the millions of successful Muslim businessmen in the US, in Britain, in Europe, in the more peaceful countries of the Middle East, etc. Are they able to start businesses with out bank loans? To show that banks are unwilling to take them as clients will require strong evidence from you. 

In addition, I can continue to point to Muslim-majority countries whose economies are in bad condition due to obvious interference from stronger countries. Iran is the obvious case in point, since the US continues to enforce broad sanctions against them, including on needed medical equipment in times of pandemic. You will need to show strong evidence to persuade us that US interference is not a strong factor in the weakness of the Iranian economy.

In short, the meme you post is very relevant, if you accept that you are Ken Ham in this thread, and I am the one demanding and offering evidence. I suspect you are actually better looking than Ken Ham, however, and if you do become interested in offering evidence in addition to your assertions, I promise to read it.
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RE: Does humanity deserve Corona?
I think Atlas has Koranavirus!
No God, No fear.
Know God, Know fear.
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RE: Does humanity deserve Corona?
(March 26, 2020 at 5:31 pm)ignoramus Wrote: I think Atlas has Koranavirus!

Which apparently, in later stages, makes you a hateful ass.

I was okay with deluded Atlas...this new version is unpleasant.
 “Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I’m not sure about the universe.” ~Albert Einstein                                                 
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RE: Does humanity deserve Corona?
(March 21, 2020 at 11:04 am)WinterHold Wrote: You cry because Coronavirus is killing some thousands of you.

But why didn't you cry for Chinese Uighur Muslims butchered by the communist government?
Why didn't you cry for the Millions in Syria killed by Assad?
Why didn't you cry for Millions killed in Yemen by Saudi/U.A.E airstrikes?
Why didn't you cry for thousands tortured in prisons of Saudi Arabia?

Does humanity of today deserve covid-19 ?
I say yes.
Millions would also say yes.

Just like when the Black Death came.

Well the moral fabric of society is all but gone now. We live more like wild animals than human now
Most people under 40yo just live like animals. Their cognitive functioning is non existent
They simply act on their ideological instincts which they have been indoctrinated in like a religion

Stuff like hating billions of people for the actions of a few, encouraging vile sexual acts among kids, killing babies the list goes on
There's people here that would say that all Christians deserve this

However i don't think anyone deserves this no matter who they are
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RE: Does humanity deserve Corona?
"Most people under 40yo just live like animals. Their cognitive functioning is non existent"

From where I stand, it's the >40 crowd effing up our future.

Also, as a teacher, I know your statement is wrong firsthand.
The fool hath said in his heart, There is a God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.
Psalm 14, KJV revised edition

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RE: Does humanity deserve Corona?
(March 26, 2020 at 6:52 pm)Alex K Wrote: "Most people under 40yo just live like animals. Their cognitive functioning is non existent"

From where I stand, it's the >40 crowd effing up our future.

Also, as a teacher, I know your statement is wrong firsthand.

Well, hell.  What did I do wrong this time?  40 was a couple of decades ago for me.
 “Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I’m not sure about the universe.” ~Albert Einstein                                                 
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