[Serious] How many reasonable solutions are there to any particular social issue?

[The Grand Nudger]

Saint Toms god is just as silly, and you're still plainly wrong about the imposition of concepts like religion and secularity on asian culture.

They've been writing about it since before the big bc/ad changeover.

[Prof.Lunaphiles]

The problem with having atheists solve social issues is that we don’t have the votes. Unless you’re prepared to disenfranchise believers and set up some sort of atheistocracy (which would create a whole new set of societal problems, not the least of which will be armed rebellion), we’ll just have to muddle through.

This is the typical atheist excuse for their lack of critical thinking and problem solving talent. You are unwittingly suggesting that atheists do have the ability to solve social issues, but you suggest that it has to be a public governing organization - you are not considering the possibility of gather atheists in a private organization to properly deliberate the arguments and generate a political agenda.

I can assure you that neither of the contemporary political parties do it as critically thinking reasonable atheists would do it, if critically thinking reasonable atheists would do it.

But what social issues did you have in mind? Name one, and I’ll present a solution.
Boru

Although, I am interested, I am not particularly interested in your opinion, unless you can garner a supporting faction that agrees with you.

The point that I am trying to make is that there is not an infinite number of solutions, which is what atheists pretend there to be to excuse their lack of determining the finite number of solutions to any given problem. And as you did, you suggest that the problem is that there are not enough atheists in enough legislative seats, and so forth and so on.

[Mr Greene]

You mean like the CFI?

[Prof.Lunaphiles]

How many solutions are available might depend on what kind of problem it is.....

The problem is that atheists are not even trying to determine the possibilities. I say there is only a maximum of six possible solutions, which is considerably much less than what you, and every other atheist, are believing there to be. Even if you believed there was only a maximum of ten possible solutions, then atheists would be inclined to determine the ten possible solutions so you could list them to show the stupid Xtians how smart you are.

But atheists don't do that, because they are in the fog of believing in the infinite possibilities, just like the Xtians!

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You mean like the CFI?

Thanks, looks interesting - let me review it.

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

The problem with having atheists solve social issues is that we don’t have the votes. Unless you’re prepared to disenfranchise believers and set up some sort of atheistocracy (which would create a whole new set of societal problems, not the least of which will be armed rebellion), we’ll just have to muddle through.

This is the typical atheist excuse for their lack of critical thinking and problem solving talent. You are unwittingly suggesting that atheists do have the ability to solve social issues, but you suggest that it has to be a public governing organization - you are not considering the possibility of gather atheists in a private organization to properly deliberate the arguments and generate a political agenda.

I can assure you that neither of the contemporary political parties do it as critically thinking reasonable atheists would do it, if critically thinking reasonable atheists would do it.

But what social issues did you have in mind? Name one, and I’ll present a solution.
Boru

Although, I am interested, I am not particularly interested in your opinion, unless you can garner a supporting faction that agrees with you.

The point that I am trying to make is that there is not an infinite number of solutions, which is what atheists pretend there to be to excuse their lack of determining the finite number of solutions to any given problem. And as you did, you suggest that the problem is that there are not enough atheists in enough legislative seats, and so forth and so on.

Lol, I’m not making excuses for anyone. But in order to effect societal change, critical thinking and problem solving skills are not enough (if they were, mathematicians and chess players would rule the world). 

But there is nothing inherent about atheists that makes us good problem solvers - some are, some are not. But in any case, it’s going to be awfully difficult to get atheists to generate a political agenda. The reason why is left as an exercise for the student, but it should be fairly obvious.

You’re a funny sort, you are. I offer to give you solutions for social problems (which you want atheists to do), then you tell me you’re not interested unless I can gather supporters. Well, how do you expect atheists to organize if you won’t even listen to what they have to say?

But my offer stands. Name a problem and I’ll give you the fix for it.

Boru

[Prof.Lunaphiles]

Secular Humanism is simply NOT a religion and you are muddying the waters unnecessarily.

Maybe it would clarify things to be stricter about the word "secular." 

Thread derailed to a new discussion: https://atheistforums.org/thread-60800.html

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But my offer stands. Name a problem and I’ll give you the fix for it.
Boru

Okay, Ill go along with your demand:

What is the solution to homelessness?

It is a big burden on society - what is the solution that society is avoiding to solve it?

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I offer to give you solutions for social problems (which you want atheists to do), then you tell me you’re not interested unless I can gather supporters. Well, how do you expect atheists to organize if you won’t even listen to what they have to say?

That's the point!!!

These forums are the venues for gathering the organization of the solutions. What am I going to do with your solution???

[arewethereyet]

Google the name of new blowhard.

Seems he has issues with race - just a heads up before his true self is revealed here.

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

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But my offer stands. Name a problem and I’ll give you the fix for it.
Boru

Okay, Ill go along with your demand:

What is the solution to homelessness?

It is a big burden on society - what is the solution that society is avoiding to solve it?

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I offer to give you solutions for social problems (which you want atheists to do), then you tell me you’re not interested unless I can gather supporters. Well, how do you expect atheists to organize if you won’t even listen to what they have to say?

That's the point!!!

These forums are the venues for gathering the organization of the solutions. What am I going to do with your solution???

The solution to homelessness is to build homes and move homeless people into them. See how easy?

And no, these forums are no such thing. Read the Rules (it’s right at the top, you can’t miss it).

As to what you can do with my solution, I suggest you take it up with whatever local authority is in charge of homelessness where you live.

Boru

[Prof.Lunaphiles]

The solution to homelessness is to build homes and move homeless people into them. See how easy?

And no, these forums are no such thing. Read the Rules (it’s right at the top, you can’t miss it).

As to what you can do with my solution, I suggest you take it up with whatever local authority is in charge of homelessness where you live.

Boru

Brilliant, absolutely, brilliant!

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

The solution to homelessness is to build homes and move homeless people into them. See how easy?

And no, these forums are no such thing. Read the Rules (it’s right at the top, you can’t miss it).

As to what you can do with my solution, I suggest you take it up with whatever local authority is in charge of homelessness where you live.

Boru

Brilliant, absolutely, brilliant!

Your snarky sarcasm aside, what’s wrong with it?

Boru