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RE: Ban Religion - are you for or against it and why?
October 14, 2011 at 11:47 am
Ceases to be a military really, if there are no citizens, only soldiers. Then they're just roving thieves......
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RE: Ban Religion - are you for or against it and why?
October 14, 2011 at 11:54 am
(This post was last modified: October 14, 2011 at 11:58 am by kılıç_mehmet.)
(October 14, 2011 at 11:41 am)Epimethean Wrote: Then you have nothing. The Romans were true warriors, but they were farmers first, and they did not forget this. A military nation that is military first, foremost, and above all is devoid of humanity. For you maybe.
Quote:Sure...sure....lol. (takes many more support personnel to keep each soldier fighting. any warrior culture is going to be pretty good at supply and logistics, and spend many more man hours on those things than actual fighting. Can't have it both ways. Soldiers need food, equipment, and lodging/fortification. You want the Attillas? gotta take bob the farmer as well.)
If you want to have a historical discussion, we can have it. I can talk hours and hours about the Turkish military institutions and how they worked.
Besides, even if we do not have the surplus to actually feed an army, the people give their life's blood for the army, if we are in great peril, like it happened when we were fighting for our independence.
Quote:Ceases to be a military really, if there are no citizens, only soldiers. Then they're just roving thieves......
All soldiers are citizens. Even if they are not serving in the army, every Turk should know the basic means to defend him/herself, in the case an enemy strikes.
I'm not saying that everyone should serve in the military. But the military is a part of us, just like the parliament is, even more so, maybe.
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RE: Ban Religion - are you for or against it and why?
October 14, 2011 at 11:58 am
What is the purpose of a military if it only exists to perpetuate itself?
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RE: Ban Religion - are you for or against it and why?
October 14, 2011 at 12:01 pm
(October 14, 2011 at 11:58 am)Epimethean Wrote: What is the purpose of a military if it only exists to perpetuate itself?
You say that it does.
Not I. Nor the military.
You constantly say things based on assumptions.
The purpose of the military is to defend our nation from the various enemies around us.
The military is our martial pride. We call it "the wolf's lair", "the house of the prophets", and with many other names "sublime", "the sun of the nation".
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RE: Ban Religion - are you for or against it and why?
October 14, 2011 at 12:06 pm
Sounds like the kind of religion I'm in favor of banning.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: Ban Religion - are you for or against it and why?
October 14, 2011 at 12:11 pm
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(October 14, 2011 at 12:01 pm)kılıç_mehmet Wrote: (October 14, 2011 at 11:58 am)Epimethean Wrote: What is the purpose of a military if it only exists to perpetuate itself?
You say that it does.
Not I. Nor the military.
You constantly say things based on assumptions.
The purpose of the military is to defend our nation from the various enemies around us.
The military is our martial pride. We call it "the wolf's lair", "the house of the prophets", and with many other names "sublime", "the sun of the nation".
Ah, I get it. To you, the military IS religion! Talk about assumptions ...
It looks like a Jim Jones type of religion, too:
http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/n.php?n...2011-01-31
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RE: Ban Religion - are you for or against it and why?
October 14, 2011 at 12:41 pm
(October 14, 2011 at 12:11 pm)Epimethean Wrote: (October 14, 2011 at 12:01 pm)kılıç_mehmet Wrote: (October 14, 2011 at 11:58 am)Epimethean Wrote: What is the purpose of a military if it only exists to perpetuate itself?
You say that it does.
Not I. Nor the military.
You constantly say things based on assumptions.
The purpose of the military is to defend our nation from the various enemies around us.
The military is our martial pride. We call it "the wolf's lair", "the house of the prophets", and with many other names "sublime", "the sun of the nation".
Ah, I get it. To you, the military IS religion! Talk about assumptions ...
It looks like a Jim Jones type of religion, too:
http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/n.php?n...2011-01-31
You don't.
This country was built by the military, and militarymen.
Atatürk himself was a man that came from the military ranks, and he initiated the events that would lead to the founding of this country in the first place.
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RE: Ban Religion - are you for or against it and why?
October 14, 2011 at 12:57 pm
Most countries have military backgrounds, but the ones which go on to greatness do so not by clinging to militancy. What has made countries great is advancing the quality of life of their people, which is much more than simply maintaining a standing militia.
Have a look at the EU overview of Turkey from a few years ago. The workforce is in a sad way. No wonder the military is popular. Education is very low compared to EU standards. No wonder the military is popular. A social misogyny is clearly evident. No wonder the military is popular.
http://www.eurofound.europa.eu/pubdocs/2...0733en.pdf
However, this is a backwards sort of success, and not one engineered to make a country great, but one made merely to maintain a hold on the past.
Those days are gone.
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RE: Ban Religion - are you for or against it and why?
October 14, 2011 at 5:41 pm
Can we please point the topic back to wether religion shold be banned or not?
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RE: Ban Religion - are you for or against it and why?
October 14, 2011 at 5:52 pm
(October 14, 2011 at 5:41 pm)reverendjeremiah Wrote: Can we please point the topic back to wether religion shold be banned or not?
Ahhh, you're no fun :p
That will never hold up in court...
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