Stupid Capitalist Tricks

[downbeatplumb]

All Rich people started from the bottom or their parents did. Or they risked their life earning their money through crime. So, go work hard and your childern will be rich, or their children will be. This bitching is pointless.

Absolute bollocks, the rich overwhelmingly, have been rich for many generations and have mastered keeping everyone else in relative poverty.
It is time for a rebalance.

[The Architect Of Fate]

I didn't call you stupid . But if you use any of the above arguments then those arguments are stupid .

I'd call them positions, not arguments, but potato................

Then you are calling me stupid because I do agree with most of them, if only in part or with qualifications. I don't agree with most of your retorts. 

Have you sued your parents for being born yet? (that's about at the intellectual level that I consider this)

1. Some are arguments 

2. Well then i can't help you 

3. And i disagree

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I think i already have told it. I am living in a country with a capitalist economy. 

Irrelevant so am i 

One which is fairly strongl yregulated, 

A slave economy can regulated as i already said 

resulting in what we call a "Free market Economy". Still its based on capitalism.

There is no free market and even there was a free market can still be a slave economy 

I work for a wage. I dont feel enslaved, and i am factually not enslaved. Noone forces me to work, not even indirectly.

Your feelings are irrelevant and poverty or socio economic degradation is a form of force

 If i wante dto stop workign i could do it within 3 months after i quite my job.

Yup and if you kept doing that for years on end what do you think would happen ? Unless you a stock baby then we have entered a new form of Capitalist issues .

 Sure i couldt keep my standard of living, but i would still have  aroof on top of my head and wouldnt starve.

Then you live in star trek because eventually you would need to work and i was using starvation in the sense of socio economic degradation etc 
(unless the stock market which is a whole other problem )

Your claim clearly fails, i am the very thing that disproves you.

I'm afraid anything but 

Where do you conflate? At the point where you conflate classic slaves who were property of their owners, all of them,

Accept it does 

 their well being notwithstanding, and on the other side are epeople (like me) who work for a wage and arent owned in any way by anyone,

The socio economic relation of labour is a akin to ownership were labour is sold and is owned 

 who arent all *enslaved*, only in certain places. You are conflating twice

They are all enslaved so no conflation

 once the situation where all are enslaved to where only some are enslaved, which is not the same. 

Accept they are all enslaved because YOU CAN"T LIVE YOUR ENTIRE LIFE WITHOUT WORKING !!!!

Then you conflate owning someone as property with someone selling his workforce. 

Ownership of someone's labour is ownership again no conflation 

I chose to work, because i like to afford certain things, not because i would have to starve to death otherwise. I also work because i like to be productive.

Once again keep doing that tell me poverty would not ensue (and for the last time i wasn't using that word in terms of food )

You cant because everything after the "if" just isnt, thats the issue. You just keep stomping your feet.

Its useless.

The if is the case and nothing you have so far refutes it 

Regulation not exclude as slave system 

Employer and employee relationship were one sells there labour is akin to ownership of labour 

Any form of poverty of possibility of poverty  is force 

Capitalism can only exist under these conditions 

That's not foot stomping its fact

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capitalism is a heuristic system that has proven competitive in many cases in the sense it enables the society that adopted it to out compete rivals.  That’s it.  

There is no moral underpinning to it, as There could never be for any effective Practical social economic system because moral ‘underpinning‘ is never an underpinning, but always funded upon some ex post justification to those for whom it didn’t really work out, concocted by those for whom it worked out well.

Accept people do try and get it moral underpinnings and worst it's lack of morality is problem in itself

[brewer]

I'd call them positions, not arguments, but potato................

Then you are calling me stupid because I do agree with most of them, if only in part or with qualifications. I don't agree with most of your retorts. 

Have you sued your parents for being born yet? (that's about at the intellectual level that I consider this)

1. Some are arguments 

2. Well then i can't help you 

3. And i disagree

---

Don't want your help and we can disagree.

[The Architect Of Fate]

1. Some are arguments 

2. Well then i can't help you 

3. And i disagree

---

Don't want your help and we can disagree.

Okay and yes we can

FYI rethinking it i still wasn't calling you stupid (which was never my intent)as smart people can hold stupid views (Newton believed in Alchemy )

[brewer]

Don't want your help and we can disagree.

Okay and yes we can

FYI rethinking it i still wasn't calling you stupid (which was never my intent)as smart people can hold stupid views (Newton believed in Alchemy )

You can believe what ever you want.

[Anomalocaris]

I'd call them positions, not arguments, but potato................

Then you are calling me stupid because I do agree with most of them, if only in part or with qualifications. I don't agree with most of your retorts. 

Have you sued your parents for being born yet? (that's about at the intellectual level that I consider this)

1. Some are arguments 

2. Well then i can't help you 

3. And i disagree

---

I think i already have told it. I am living in a country with a capitalist economy. 

Irrelevant so am i 

One which is fairly strongl yregulated, 

A slave economy can regulated as i already said 

resulting in what we call a "Free market Economy". Still its based on capitalism.

There is no free market and even there was a free market can still be a slave economy 

I work for a wage. I dont feel enslaved, and i am factually not enslaved. Noone forces me to work, not even indirectly.

Your feelings are irrelevant and poverty or socio economic degradation is a form of force

 If i wante dto stop workign i could do it within 3 months after i quite my job.

Yup and if you kept doing that for years on end what do you think would happen ? Unless you a stock baby then we have entered a new form of Capitalist issues .

 Sure i couldt keep my standard of living, but i would still have  aroof on top of my head and wouldnt starve.

Then you live in star trek because eventually you would need to work and i was using starvation in the sense of socio economic degradation etc 
(unless the stock market which is a whole other problem )

Your claim clearly fails, i am the very thing that disproves you.

I'm afraid anything but 

Where do you conflate? At the point where you conflate classic slaves who were property of their owners, all of them,

Accept it does 

 their well being notwithstanding, and on the other side are epeople (like me) who work for a wage and arent owned in any way by anyone,

The socio economic relation of labour is a akin to ownership were labour is sold and is owned 

 who arent all *enslaved*, only in certain places. You are conflating twice

They are all enslaved so no conflation

 once the situation where all are enslaved to where only some are enslaved, which is not the same. 

Accept they are all enslaved because YOU CAN"T LIVE YOUR ENTIRE LIFE WITHOUT WORKING !!!!

Then you conflate owning someone as property with someone selling his workforce. 

Ownership of someone's labour is ownership again no conflation 

I chose to work, because i like to afford certain things, not because i would have to starve to death otherwise. I also work because i like to be productive.

Once again keep doing that tell me poverty would not ensue (and for the last time i wasn't using that word in terms of food )

You cant because everything after the "if" just isnt, thats the issue. You just keep stomping your feet.

Its useless.

The if is the case and nothing you have so far refutes it 

Regulation not exclude as slave system 

Employer and employee relationship were one sells there labour is akin to ownership of labour 

Any form of poverty of possibility of poverty  is force 

Capitalism can only exist under these conditions 

That's not foot stomping its fact

---

capitalism is a heuristic system that has proven competitive in many cases in the sense it enables the society that adopted it to out compete rivals.  That’s it.  

There is no moral underpinning to it, as There could never be for any effective Practical social economic system because moral ‘underpinning‘ is never an underpinning, but always funded upon some ex post justification to those for whom it didn’t really work out, concocted by those for whom it worked out well.

Accept people do try and get it moral underpinnings and worst it's lack of morality is problem in itself

Capitalism is a reality in that its modes of operation is a reality, and it’s comparative efficacy In empowering societies that adopts it to displace societies which doesn’t is also a reality.     Reality has no use for morality.

That capitalism lacks morality is no more a problem For capitalism than the fact that gravity lacks morality is a problem for gravity.

Morality is only a concern in assessing how people operates amidst reality.   Choosing to push people out of windows is a moral problem.   Choosing to let capitalism impoverish millions is a moral problem.    But gravity is not a moral problem, neither is capitalism.

[TaraJo]

I think any "ism" becomes a problem whenever it's too absolute.  There are certainly good things to capitalism, but that doesn't justify the mountain of problems our current economic system has.  Do I think we should just go full-on communism or something like that?  No.  But I do think we need to acknowledge the flaws to modern capitalism and attempt to make real changes to the system in an attempt to fix those problems.

[ignoramus]

All Capitalism needs some sort of moderation else it becomes unsustainable. (good in theory but human greed will always force the wealth divide apart sadly)

Look at the US stockmarket right now. Half a dozen US companies are 40% of the stockmarket. Crazy... These same big 6 have bought over 500 smaller companies in the last 10 years to ensure their corporate monopolies. Who's gonna stop them? It's the ugly side of capitalism.

Capitalism is amoral so needs to be kept firmly in check because the easiest ways to obtain profits tend to be immoral.

Slavery, fraud, theft, misrepresentation all of these are easy ways to profit and coorporations have form with all of these.

warning: RANT
All of these negative virtues are a byproduct of a healthy capitalist system!
Healthy for the capitalists of course!
If you're the only one selling lemonade on the street on a hot day, you sell for $1 per cup. People catch on, they undersell you for a cut of the profits.
This is a normal healthy free market economy, right? We can't be free if we can't make money, we have kids to feed.
Then a smartarse comes along (Mr Amazon) who decides to buy all the lemon orchids in America to sell lemonade at 10c per cup and still make a marginal profit.
This puts everyone out of business and Amazon still makes heaps of money using economies of scale.
Is Mr Amazon a bad person for taking risks and becoming successful? Did he not fulfill his American dream?
Maybe Electric Jesus (Elon Musk) may save the human race one day. If we put a cap on how successful one can get, then innovation will stifle and entrepreneurs will fade away. It's these entrepreneurs who made America great in the first place.

Now, 6 months ago, The US had record low unemployment levels and the stock market was going gangbusters.
6 months later we're having conversations about dismantling law and order, democracy and capitalism?
All the world's problems today have nothing to do with the virus or capitalism. The virus was just the black swan event to prick the everything bubble.

The G20 summit meeting in QLD in 2018 put in motion the blueprint for the new bail-in laws. This means that in the event that a bank fails (if deemed too big to fail), then peoples deposits will be used to save the bank. (As depositors, we are low on the list of unsecured creditors). Then we have the push for a cashless world. Australia just passed their bill. Many other countries have already done this and have slowly reduced the cash limits lower. Some countries penalize you if you want to use cash.
All this lines up with the new norm of low interest rates. All this shit has takes years to plan and put into effect.
Basically, the NWO is a cashless society where you cannot run to the bank as there is no cash to take out, where ultimately we will be charged interest (not receive!) on keeping money in the bank. All govt's have basically de-incentivized us all from saving for a rainy day. They want us to spend, spend, spend, to increase the velocity of cash, to help pay more govt taxes. Our govt (here) is thinking about phasing out the pension one day. It was set at 65 years old in the days where people didn't live much longer.
Now, our population is aging, the pension is becoming a burden to the govt. The new healthy future is to work to have a house and car and fries but work till the day you die to maintain your existence. Is this a form of global slavery? Maybe.
Capitalism won't solve racism? If everyone had money, we'd all be happy living the dream. Money is the root of all evil. Those in charge of it are also funding the political aspect of the blm. No they don't have our interests at heart. They only have agendas. The same wonderful people who pushed for women's rights. Do you think they care about women? Women needed to have the same rights as men so they can both work and get taxed equally! Win-win for the govt and big corp. It all comes down to the selfish gene. Absolute power will always corrupt absolutely. But here we all are fighting each other in society. The silent 1% love it!
/RANT