Human Rights Section

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

Nothing still about the management opinion on this suggestion ?

You've already got the opinions of two members of management. Doesn't seem to be breaking your way.

Boru

[WinterHold]

Nothing still about the management opinion on this suggestion ?

You've already got the opinions of two members of management. Doesn't seem to be breaking your way.

Boru

No.
This section has under it: "Ask questions about certain forum features, report problems you've come across (e.g. bugs, errors), suggest new features or changes, or just leave some general feedback on the site! ".

I expect a representative of the mods to reply to me. Your vote alone worth nothing, but obviously you don't even know what the word "voting" means.

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

You've already got the opinions of two members of management. Doesn't seem to be breaking your way.

Boru

No.
This section has under it: "Ask questions about certain forum features, report problems you've come across (e.g. bugs, errors), suggest new features or changes, or just leave some general feedback on the site! ".

I expect a representative of the mods to reply to me. Your vote alone worth nothing, but obviously you don't even know what the word "voting" means.

Whaddya mean 'no'? You said no one from management has ventured an opinion - that simply not true.  Valks and I are members of management and we've both given you our opinion.

You're perfectly correct about the description of this section, and you're using it properly.  No one said otherwise.

Two mods have already replied to you.  We don't have an official representative, but I'm sure we could dig one up. Not sure how it would help, but we can try to make it happen if you like.

Boru

[arewethereyet]

Thing here is that WinterofAtlas will only be happy when the answer to his suggestion is yes.

This has nothing to do with a procedure being followed, or not.

It's really not a suggestion, it's a demand.

[Foxaèr]

Since we don’t play Mafia anymore, couldn’t we just turn that section into the “Human Rights” area?

[WinterHold]

No.
This section has under it: "Ask questions about certain forum features, report problems you've come across (e.g. bugs, errors), suggest new features or changes, or just leave some general feedback on the site! ".

I expect a representative of the mods to reply to me. Your vote alone worth nothing, but obviously you don't even know what the word "voting" means.

Whaddya mean 'no'? You said no one from management has ventured an opinion - that simply not true.  Valks and I are members of management and we've both given you our opinion.

You're perfectly correct about the description of this section, and you're using it properly.  No one said otherwise.

Two mods have already replied to you.  We don't have an official representative, but I'm sure we could dig one up. Not sure how it would help, but we can try to make it happen if you like.

Boru

The hierarchy of authority in the forum is represented like:
-mod "green"
-management "red"

That makes the "red" voice the judge here.
So even if you gathered all the "green" you can think of; a "red" voice would be the judge.

Since AF is not a dictatorship, I expect the "red" vote to judge on the matter once and for all, through democratic consultation between members and mods and even "reds".

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

Whaddya mean 'no'? You said no one from management has ventured an opinion - that simply not true.  Valks and I are members of management and we've both given you our opinion.

You're perfectly correct about the description of this section, and you're using it properly.  No one said otherwise.

Two mods have already replied to you.  We don't have an official representative, but I'm sure we could dig one up. Not sure how it would help, but we can try to make it happen if you like.

Boru

The hierarchy of authority in the forum is represented like:
-mod "green"
-management "red"

That makes the "red" voice the judge here.
So even if you gathered all the "green" you can think of; a "red" voice would be the judge.

Since AF is not a dictatorship, I expect the "red" vote to judge on the matter once and for all, through democratic consultation between members and mods and even "reds".

Both Administrators and Moderators are members of staff, which makes both groups part of management.

And that’s not how voting on the forum works. You can ‘expect’ whatever you like, but - if this idea ever comes to a vote - it won’t happen the way you describe.

Boru

[WinterHold]

The hierarchy of authority in the forum is represented like:
-mod "green"
-management "red"

That makes the "red" voice the judge here.
So even if you gathered all the "green" you can think of; a "red" voice would be the judge.

Since AF is not a dictatorship, I expect the "red" vote to judge on the matter once and for all, through democratic consultation between members and mods and even "reds".

Both Administrators and Moderators are members of staff, which makes both groups part of management.

And that’s not how voting on the forum works. You can ‘expect’ whatever you like, but - if this idea ever comes to a vote - it won’t happen the way you describe.

Boru

then, how?

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

Both Administrators and Moderators are members of staff, which makes both groups part of management.

And that’s not how voting on the forum works. You can ‘expect’ whatever you like, but - if this idea ever comes to a vote - it won’t happen the way you describe.

Boru

then, how?

The details of the voting are a nunya.  But if the final decision were left to an administrator, irrespective of the voting, then AF WOULD be a dictatorship.

By way of example, the warnings you’ve received were decided by a majority vote. It has never happened (as far as I’m aware) that an admin has issued a warning when the vote went the other way.

It’ll be the same with a decision on a Human Rights section of the Forum. You seem to think  that if all mods and all admins but one voted against the new section, the lone holdout would approve the section and it would be created. Doesn’t work that way.

Boru

[WinterHold]

then, how?

The details of the voting are a nunya. 

"Nunya" means "non of your business"; so the reader can understand.

But if the final decision were left to an administrator, irrespective of the voting, then AF WOULD be a dictatorship.

But above the "mod"s' decision and voting; an Admin decision must be made too based on a voting between the Admins themselves. i.e your mod statue only gives you the right to vote for such a thing in the first place.

By way of example, the warnings you’ve received were decided by a majority vote. It has never happened (as far as I’m aware) that an admin has issued a warning when the vote went the other way.

Personally, I think it's unethical to tell the details of such things -as warning- publicly.

It’ll be the same with a decision on a Human Rights section of the Forum. You seem to think  that if all mods and all admins but one voted against the new section, the lone holdout would approve the section and it would be created. Doesn’t work that way.

https://atheistforums.org/thread-61293-p...pid1988166

please see my comment that discussed this issue.