That Gay Thread

[Huggy Bear]

Why do you always resort to making up arguments? You described the black trans plight as a "pandemic"


Definition of pandemic
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1 : occurring over a wide geographic area (such as multiple countries or continents) and typically affecting a significant proportion of the population

I didn't say "why should I care", I said "How is something that affects less than 1% of the Black population considered a pandemic?"

[The Grand Nudger]

Arguing about the word pandemic. Awesome. What's the deal...it's super simple to admit you were wrong about a thing? Happens to all of us, all the time.

[LadyForCamus]

Oh, boy. You’re breaking out the dictionary definitions again, lol.

I don’t @Huggy Bear. Why should we call the small number of police killings of unarmed black men a serious problem when there’s just so few of them compared to everyone else?

Keep on clownin.’ 🤡

I’m honestly amazed that you’re not too embarrassed to keep posting at this point.

[Oldandeasilyconfused]

*Looks at watch.*

Still waiting on the white LGBTQ+ organization.

Apparently we’re shoveling on top of that particular pile of inane and incoherent nonsense more fresh heaps of shit: 

“People should care about violence against black LGBTQ because they’re an oppressed minority. Also, why should I give a shit about violence against trans black women when they’re only a small minority?! Also, you people don’t even care about racism against black minorities!

I feel a need to give a serious answer to 'why should I care' .

"Should you care, about anything?" is actually an important question of moral philosophy.  IMO neither I nor anyone else has the right to tell another what /who they should or should not care about.   This is question for each individual. Nor is it right of me to accuse a person who claims not to care of being callous, even if it seems to be true.

Australia has a simple rule about how we should behave; "Don't be cunt" If you break this rule, consequences range from nothing noticeable to downright dire. IE people might simply cut you dead and avoid you, or bash the shit out of you. Australians are easy to get along with, it's just that we often lack subtlety with cunts

If Huggy is interested, which I doubt, there's a vast amount of information online about moral philosophy.  I'll be brief to give just one possible reason to care about others, any others.   It's called ethical egoism.  This simply means that it is to my advantage to show caring for others/obey laws if I'm going to live in a society.  I'm pretty sure there's also an evolutionary advantage to belong to a group.  In the simplest terms, you give to get.

There's a famous poem called "Then They came---"  which sums this up  perhaps why one should care about minorities.  Below is the short version:

"First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—
     Because I was not a socialist.
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—
     Because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
     Because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me."

Below is link to the full version and Wiki article about the  poem

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_they_came_...

[Huggy Bear]

Oh, boy. You’re breaking out the dictionary definitions again, lol.

I don’t @Huggy Bear. Why should we call the small number of police killings of unarmed black men a serious problem when there’s just so few of them compared to everyone else?

Keep on clownin.’ 🤡

It’s not the number of police killings that's the problem, it's the fact that they rarely get punished. The more police get punished, the less likely they are to shoot unarmed folks, see how that works?

No shit, Huggy, lol. Yes, you accurately described the problem of police killings of unarmed black men. I think it’s the only thing you’ve gotten right in this thread so far. Now explain me why you think what you said was in any way a rubuttal or a distinction with a difference.


Never mind, I know that’s too complicated for your two brain cells. Let’s try it this way:

Based on the stats you’ve been spoon-fed, do you believe that violence, discrimination, and oppression among the black/trans female community is a serious problem that should be addressed? This is a simple yes or no question.

[LadyForCamus]

Arguing about the word pandemic.  Awesome.  What's the deal...it's super simple to admit you were wrong about a thing?  Happens to all of us, all the time.

It wouldn’t be a “conversation” with @Huggy Bear if it didn’t inevitably devolve into aimless semantic debate leading to nowhere.

[arewethereyet]

Oh, boy. You’re breaking out the dictionary definitions again, lol.

I don’t @Huggy Bear. Why should we call the small number of police killings of unarmed black men a serious problem when there’s just so few of them compared to everyone else?

Keep on clownin.’ 🤡

I’m honestly amazed that you’re not too embarrassed to keep posting at this point.

This might be the answer...

[Huggy Bear]

Arguing about the word pandemic.  Awesome.  What's the deal...it's super simple to admit you were wrong about a thing?  Happens to all of us, all the time.

Actually I was objecting to LFC misrepresenting my position, but go ahead and focus on the definition...

[The Grand Nudger]

It wouldn’t be a “conversation” with @Huggy Bear if it didn’t inevitably devolve into aimless semantic debate leading to nowhere.

Well..I get insistence.  There are things that matter so much to me, for example... that being wrong about some fact won't alter that fact.  At that point, though, it would seem to serve the purpose that a person can accept being wrong about a thing and still maintain that sense of importance regarding another thing.

Just to use a concrete example..... Dave chappelles trans friend story is pretty great. The guy is sitting on a mark twain award, we can give him credit as a satirist, as a humorist. My favorite part is, on a surface reading, perhaps the most hateful. The line "boundaries bitch, I'm transphobic" is brilliant. Its uncomfortable in the same way that tom sawyer or the war prayer would have been to audiences of their own time. Its probably true that, beset on all sides by opposition...some friendly fire comes out of the trans camp. Nothing that huggy so insistently got wrong needs be right for that to be true. That one person can end a rough story with the comment "I knew your father, and he was a hell of a woman"...or casually mention that it takes one human person to recognize another human persons experience is bubbling right there at the surface of outrage. Are there times when the lgbtq community and other communities which might otherwise be aligned and have similar experiences are at cross purpose? Probably. Even if that isn't down to klansmen bankrolling the movement.

@Huggy Bear
Trying to help..but, by all means, take a shot and prove me right. : shrugs : I think that you're an idiot in so many ways...but even by your own previous comments, you and I see the field of play with regards to race in similar ways. For all of the bullshit in this thread about shadow cabals, the forces at work pitting you against everyone else barely see the point of hiding their intentions..and yet here you are, as you are, espousing what you do. I don't think that anyone in this thread needs to consider the motivations of the people who bankroll their favorite flavor of propaganda more than you.

You're being had, picking fights where you could find friends.

[Oldandeasilyconfused]

Oh, boy. You’re breaking out the dictionary definitions again, lol.

I don’t @Huggy Bear. Why should we call the small number of police killings of unarmed black men a serious problem when there’s just so few of them compared to everyone else?

Keep on clownin.’ 🤡

It's not the number of police killings that's the problem, it's the fact that they rarely get punished. The more police get punished, the less likely they are to shoot unarmed folks, see how that works?

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I feel a need to give and a serious answer to 'why should I care' and something about us not caring.

"Should you care, about anything?" is actually an important question of moral philosophy.  IMO neither I nor anyone else has the right to tell another what /who they should or should not care about.   This is question for each individual. Nor is it right of me to accuse a person who claims not to care of being callous, even if it seems to be true.

If Huggy is interested, which I doubt, there's a vast amount of information online about moral philosophy.  I'll be brief to give just one possible reason to care about others, any others.   It's called ethical egoism.  This simply means that it is to my advantage to show caring for others/obey laws if I'm going to live in a society.  I'm pretty sure there's also an evolutionary advantage to belong to a group. 
In the simplest terms, you give to get.

There's a famous poem called "Then They came---"  which sums this up  perhaps why one should care about minorities.  Below is the short version:

"First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—
     Because I was not a socialist.
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—
     Because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
     Because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me."

Below is link to the full version and Wiki article about the  poem

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_they_came_...

I hope you realize you're responding to something I never said.

 Well, I'm old and easily confused, so I may have misread. Could have sworn you asked why you should care about 1%  of black people.(?) You then accused us of not caring, having somehow gotten the idea that's relevant.

Claiming you should not care because others don't is not only a morally supine position, it's a basic logical fallacy called Tu Quoque (you too) or appeal to hypocrisy. If we are speaking about your moral position or behaviour, what others do or do not do is irrelevant.

(Sorry about using Godwin's law) This claim is also known as the Nuremberg defence and Nazi War criminal tried to use it at the Nuremberg war trails after WW2.  This kind of thing " Well, yes, we might have discriminated against the Jews. But, look at how America treats it's black troops in its armed forces and in America generally ---Well yes, we did obliterate Coventry But the allies fire bombed Dresden. That generally the allies committed a lot of war crimes"    Each of those claims was actually true. However, they did not diminish nor excuse war crimes committed by the Germans.


My apologies if I misunderstood or read only what you actually wrote rather than what you meant. I do that a lot.