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If god can't lie, does that mean he can't do everything?
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If we're talking the god of Abraham, it apparently has issues comprehending a blueprint, there are car too many flaws in this perfect paradise.
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August 26, 2020 at 12:42 pm
(This post was last modified: August 26, 2020 at 12:44 pm by GrandizerII.)
The basic answer is he can't be anything but what he is. As God is considered to be complete in goodness, then as lying is a deviation from goodness, then God cannot lie as God would then have to be incomplete in goodness.
Or something like that. I'm sure I got the wording wrong somewhere there. Either way, not much of a challenge for Christians. They'll happily concede God can't do everything because in their view that doesn't take away from his omnipotence.   RE: If god can't lie, does that mean he can't do everything?
August 26, 2020 at 1:40 pm
(This post was last modified: August 26, 2020 at 1:41 pm by Anomalocaris.)
(August 26, 2020 at 11:31 am)Gawdzilla Sama Wrote:(August 26, 2020 at 11:22 am)brewer Wrote: I think Nietzsche disagrees with you. Only one of these attributions passes scrutiny. (August 26, 2020 at 12:42 pm)Grandizer Wrote: The basic answer is he can't be anything but what he is. As God is considered to be complete in goodness, then as lying is a deviation from goodness, then God cannot lie as God would then have to be incomplete in goodness. If god is omnipotent, can he not just make lying into goodness? Can not make himself incomplete and not goodness?  RE: If god can't lie, does that mean he can't do everything?
August 26, 2020 at 2:11 pm
(This post was last modified: August 26, 2020 at 2:11 pm by Sal.)
(August 26, 2020 at 12:01 pm)Lawz Wrote: Which God? Loki? Loki can defo lie... He seemed pretty dead in Avengers: Endgame.
"The first principle is that you must not fool yourself — and you are the easiest person to fool." - Richard P. Feynman
(August 26, 2020 at 10:50 am)Mister Agenda Wrote: There's lots of things humans can do that God supposedly can't: lie, make mistakes, learn, grow as a person, feel guilt or shame...it's probably a very long list. Must be why he's even named Jealous, being the very embodiment of the thing he wants to be able to do that we can already do. Like, it's as if there's a whole religion made out of that. Besides, lying is more sophisticated than being a goody good boy and only being able to tell the truth all the time. Also, metaphysically: truth ≠ good, and lie ≠ bad. Being truthful or deceitful isn't automatically a moral value. I'm sure you can imagine scenarios in all 4 combinations, as well as a very long list of partial combinations, exemplifying good/bad outcomes tied with truth/lies. To continue my distasteful defense of lying; lying takes more intelligent creativity than just stating what is true. Saying what is true that have moral consequences (in general too) is just stating facts and honest opinions. While with lying, you actually have to make some shit up in a lot of situations with moral implications (yes/no questions not included), stuff that - if you don't want to be caught in lying - has to be believable and pass the plausible deniability threshold if you are caught lying. However, honesty gets you pretty far, I'm sure. It's just the problem when someone with bad intentions needs to get lied to to protect yourself and others.
"The first principle is that you must not fool yourself — and you are the easiest person to fool." - Richard P. Feynman
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