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RE: If god can't lie, does that mean he can't do everything?
September 24, 2020 at 5:47 pm
(September 24, 2020 at 2:02 pm)Drich Wrote: i have several time now.. who said the voice was disembodied? it came from a black man i gave a ride to on a cold winter evening.
Shoot in directly into my veins...lol.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: If god can't lie, does that mean he can't do everything?
September 24, 2020 at 6:04 pm
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"black man", Drich? You're a riot.
And before you start accusing me of racism or some other shit - examine what you're saying.
Some rando approached you, and you believed him straight away?
I'd like to hear more of this encounter.
"The first principle is that you must not fool yourself — and you are the easiest person to fool." - Richard P. Feynman
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RE: If god can't lie, does that mean he can't do everything?
September 25, 2020 at 12:02 pm
(September 24, 2020 at 6:04 pm)Sal Wrote: "black man", Drich? You're a riot.
And before you start accusing me of racism or some other shit - examine what you're saying.
Some rando approached you, and you believed him straight away?
I'd like to hear more of this encounter.
i have foreseen your request and compiled a video/ride along to take you though the experience.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5XFuZh4X2rk&t=518s
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RE: If god can't lie, does that mean he can't do everything?
September 25, 2020 at 1:16 pm
(This post was last modified: September 25, 2020 at 1:17 pm by HappySkeptic.)
(September 24, 2020 at 6:04 pm)Sal Wrote: "black man", Drich? You're a riot.
And before you start accusing me of racism or some other shit - examine what you're saying.
Some rando approached you, and you believed him straight away?
I'd like to hear more of this encounter.
What I would be interested in knowing, is if someone found this black guy in a mental institution or a retirement home, and it didn't seem like he was Jesus, would Drich change his mind?
I believe that he would not.
The value of the religious experience is that emotion that it imparts within the person, not on the validity of it. Even if the black guy was off his meds, Drich's experience still exists. Drich might even alter his view to say that the guy wasn't crazy, but was just acting as a conduit for God (I believe it was common in the past to consider crazy people as touched by either the a devil or one of the gods).
I know someone who has had a meditative experience of "being one with everything". That one experience has shaped the person's religious views for 20 years, despite never being able to repeat it. I wouldn't want to take away their experience, and yet I think the new-age philosophy that the person now espouses is completely without reality.
As atheists, we will always lose our arguments if we try to tell theists that their religious or "peak" experiences aren't real. They are real, and they are important to that person. All we can do is offer alternate, more rational explanations.
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RE: If god can't lie, does that mean he can't do everything?
September 25, 2020 at 1:22 pm
(September 25, 2020 at 1:16 pm)HappySkeptic Wrote: As atheists, we will always lose our arguments if we try to tell theists that their religious or "peak" experiences aren't real. They are real, and they are important to that person. All we can do is offer alternate, more rational explanations.
I think this encounter probably took place, I just think it would be entertaining to see the depravity and delusion. I think the thoughts theists have about the supernatural are real, as thoughts.
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RE: If god can't lie, does that mean he can't do everything?
September 26, 2020 at 12:38 am
(August 26, 2020 at 12:31 pm)no one Wrote: If we're talking the god of Abraham, it apparently has issues comprehending a blueprint, there are car too many flaws in this perfect paradise.
He failed god school, that's the problem.
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RE: If god can't lie, does that mean he can't do everything?
September 26, 2020 at 12:43 pm
(September 25, 2020 at 12:02 pm)Drich Wrote: (September 24, 2020 at 6:04 pm)Sal Wrote: "black man", Drich? You're a riot.
And before you start accusing me of racism or some other shit - examine what you're saying.
Some rando approached you, and you believed him straight away?
I'd like to hear more of this encounter.
i have foreseen your request and compiled a video/ride along to take you though the experience.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5XFuZh4X2rk&t=518s
"He talked about dad, but didn't call him by name".
This is doubly sad. Not only were you used, he used emotional manipulation to use you.
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RE: If god can't lie, does that mean he can't do everything?
October 2, 2020 at 10:22 am
(September 26, 2020 at 12:43 pm)Sal Wrote: (September 25, 2020 at 12:02 pm)Drich Wrote: i have foreseen your request and compiled a video/ride along to take you though the experience.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5XFuZh4X2rk&t=518s
"He talked about dad, but didn't call him by name".
This is doubly sad. Not only were you used, he used emotional manipulation to use you.
 I said two words aloud. he told me of my past present and future. what's truly sad is your indoctrination is so deep you can only see a negative here. because what did the guy have to gain? a 5 min ride? 2 dollars? if you really did watch the video i had in the store made up my mind to give him that ride and that 2 dollars before he said anything about me. Not only that what i got in return changed my life for the positive, because in exchange he gave me information to not only navigate my current situation, peace of mind when a romantic interest did not pan out, a fore telling of finicinacial opportunities, and warnings of dangers and pit falls to come.. I have not only took advantage of situations i might have shied away from and refused opportunities that did not pan out. Not only that his advise had me stick with the young lady who was to be my wife through a hard recovery that i would have normally run from, on his word because he told me if i could make it through this hardship she would be my perfect match. we are business partners, best friends, and awesome up down partners. been together 20 years now and we literally spend every waking moment together, as we live and work in the same space, and till this year shared an office together.
here is the written version of the video i did back in 2012 it talks more about my wife part.
https://atheistforums.org/thread-13378.html
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RE: If god can't lie, does that mean he can't do everything?
October 2, 2020 at 11:43 am
Did you rule out witches?
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: If god can't lie, does that mean he can't do everything?
October 2, 2020 at 4:23 pm
(August 26, 2020 at 11:31 am)Gawdzilla Sama Wrote: (August 26, 2020 at 11:22 am)brewer Wrote: I think Nietzsche disagrees with you.
"God is dead." Nietzsche
"Nietzsche is dead." God
"God and Nietzsche are both dead." (History)
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