If god can't lie, does that mean he can't do everything?

[GrandizerII]

The basic answer is he can't be anything but what he is. As God is considered to be complete in goodness, then as lying is a deviation from goodness, then God cannot lie as God would then have to be incomplete in goodness.

Or something like that. I'm sure I got the wording wrong somewhere there.

Either way, not much of a challenge for Christians. They'll happily concede God can't do everything because in their view that doesn't take away from his omnipotence.

If memory serves, Aquinas expressed it as God can't do anything that is against his nature.  It was a pretty tidy position for Aquinas to take since, for the purposes of the argument, he defined what God's nature was.

If you make up the rules as you go, you can never lose the game.

Boru

Well, yeah, not sure if that's a deviation from saying that God cannot lie because God cannot deviate from the good (i.e., cannot do what is against its nature). For Aquinas, God's goodness and God's nature are intertwined.

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

If memory serves, Aquinas expressed it as God can't do anything that is against his nature.  It was a pretty tidy position for Aquinas to take since, for the purposes of the argument, he defined what God's nature was.

If you make up the rules as you go, you can never lose the game.

Boru

Well, yeah, not sure if that's a deviation from saying that God cannot lie because God cannot deviate from the good (i.e., cannot do what is against its nature). For Aquinas, God's goodness and God's nature are intertwined.

By which Aquinas is presuming that all lies are necessarily evil, something I don’t find especially convincing (see Twain’s ‘Was It Heaven? Or Hell?’).

That’s really beside the point, which is that Aquinas, like most theologians, chooses to define God in terms suited to confirm his picture of God: I don’t want to believe that God lies, so I must believe that God is intrinsically good and that lies are intrinsically bad, therefore God is unable to lie (scriptural evidence to the contrary).

As I said, if you set up your parameters based on little more than your own biases, you can literally ‘prove’ anything.

Boru

[Drich]

God is the alpha and Omega which means beginning and end of all things. this means nothing is greater. do not confuse this with an omni max God as an omni max is bound to the laws of being a supreme being and thus subject to paradox. alpha and omega God is far more powerful and is not bound by paradox because God's will his desire supersedes his strength. meaning of God wanted to create a rock so big he could not lift it it means he could create such a rock, however if he did not want to create such a object then he couldn't do it. this is what absolute strength and power looks like. If God's will says he is not a liar, so then he can not lie. if his will says he can, then God can.. that's the true nature of an alpha and omega.. basically God does what ever the Eff God wants to do. as he is the first authority and the last rule. no other rules laws or principles control or guide him outside his own will and authority.

Okay.  How do you know that your god hasn't lied to you?

because everything he told me has come true so far..

[Gwaithmir]

Okay.  How do you know that your god hasn't lied to you?

because everything he told me has come true so far..

Ask him for the winning lottery number. 

[Brian37]

The "omni" concept of a god is pointless.

If one sets a limit as a parameter, they negate the "omni" claim.

If they stick to the "omni" claim without adding  "cant", then they are stuck with admitting that this god is capable of great cruelty and evil. 

I'd argue that god/s/God/deities/supernatural, are merely products of human imagination reflecting our own desires/nature.

[Angrboda]

Okay.  How do you know that your god hasn't lied to you?

because everything he told me has come true so far..

Are you saying you talk to God? What does his voice sound like? Does he have a cough?

What about the things that haven't come to pass yet, like heaven and hell? How do you know he hasn't lied to you about those?

[Cercunnos]

I wish this question was my own, but I saw it on FB.

The question is still valid, however.

ıt is like saying ' could you ever make a triangle square? !
the question itself has some contradictions in it.

[The Grand Nudger]

because everything he told me has come true so far..

Are you saying you talk to God?  What does his voice sound like?  Does he have a cough?

What about the things that haven't come to pass yet, like heaven and hell?  How do you know he hasn't lied to you about those?

Left, right, or stereo?  Is the voice disembodied or does it have a point of origin?  Does god speak in a masculine or feminine tone?  

People who claim to speak to god as something other than performative christian language should be prepared to answer these questions.

[Drich]

because everything he told me has come true so far..

Ask him for the winning lottery number. 

actually.... don't need one. it was one of the things promised, and it seems to be working out as described. i much rather see how it all comes together as it is one thing after another.

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The "omni" concept of a god is pointless.

If one sets a limit as a parameter, they negate the "omni" claim.

If they stick to the "omni" claim without adding  "cant", then they are stuck with admitting that this god is capable of great cruelty and evil. 

I'd argue that god/s/God/deities/supernatural, are merely products of human imagination reflecting our own desires/nature.

which is why God nor the bible uses these terms to describe himself. God's self description is alpha and omega, which means he is the first authority and has the last say on everything ever created or ended. this means his power and authority are only limited by his own will. can he create a rock so big he can't lift it? yes if he wants to and no if he does not.. this is where the alpha and omega god surpass an omni max god.

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because everything he told me has come true so far..

Are you saying you talk to God?  What does his voice sound like?  Does he have a cough?

What about the things that haven't come to pass yet, like heaven and hell?  How do you know he hasn't lied to you about those?

he looked and sounded like a big black man..   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5XFuZh4X2rk&t=517s

what i was told was bout my future, and what i was told will happen in my life is/has happened so far. i have seen heaven and hell. one of the reason i am here.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9on1cGF5YaY&t=86s

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Are you saying you talk to God?  What does his voice sound like?  Does he have a cough?

What about the things that haven't come to pass yet, like heaven and hell?  How do you know he hasn't lied to you about those?

Left, right, or stereo?  Is the voice disembodied or does it have a point of origin?  Does god speak in a masculine or feminine tone?  

People who claim to speak to god as something other than performative christian language should be prepared to answer these questions.

i have several time now.. who said the voice was disembodied? it came from a black man i gave a ride to on a cold winter evening.

[no one]

Actually, god did lie. Apparently, god told Mary it was just going to be the tip.