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RE: If god can't lie, does that mean he can't do everything?
October 2, 2020 at 5:11 pm
(October 2, 2020 at 10:22 am)Drich Wrote: (September 26, 2020 at 12:43 pm)Sal Wrote: "He talked about dad, but didn't call him by name".
This is doubly sad. Not only were you used, he used emotional manipulation to use you.
I said two words aloud. he told me of my past present and future. what's truly sad is your indoctrination is so deep you can only see a negative here. because what did the guy have to gain? a 5 min ride? 2 dollars? if you really did watch the video i had in the store made up my mind to give him that ride and that 2 dollars before he said anything about me. Not only that what i got in return changed my life for the positive, because in exchange he gave me information to not only navigate my current situation, peace of mind when a romantic interest did not pan out, a fore telling of finicinacial opportunities, and warnings of dangers and pit falls to come.. I have not only took advantage of situations i might have shied away from and refused opportunities that did not pan out. Not only that his advise had me stick with the young lady who was to be my wife through a hard recovery that i would have normally run from, on his word because he told me if i could make it through this hardship she would be my perfect match. we are business partners, best friends, and awesome up down partners. been together 20 years now and we literally spend every waking moment together, as we live and work in the same space, and till this year shared an office together.
here is the written version of the video i did back in 2012 it talks more about my wife part.
https://atheistforums.org/thread-13378.html So you are a stalker?
Is that your claim?
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RE: If god can't lie, does that mean he can't do everything?
October 2, 2020 at 8:35 pm
(October 2, 2020 at 11:43 am)The Grand Nudger Wrote: Did you rule out witches?
Or vampires.
According to Anne Rice's Interview with a Vampire, they like to get into the heads of mortals to mess with them.
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RE: If god can't lie, does that mean he can't do everything?
October 16, 2020 at 5:59 pm
What about COVID-19? Can God get COVID-19? If God can't get COVID-19 then is he non omnipotent?
teachings of the Bible are so muddled and self-contradictory that it was possible for Christians to happily burn heretics alive for five long centuries. It was even possible for the most venerated patriarchs of the Church, like St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas, to conclude that heretics should be tortured (Augustine) or killed outright (Aquinas). Martin Luther and John Calvin advocated the wholesale murder of heretics, apostates, Jews, and witches. - Sam Harris, "Letter To A Christian Nation"
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RE: If god can't lie, does that mean he can't do everything?
October 16, 2020 at 8:05 pm
(This post was last modified: October 16, 2020 at 8:09 pm by Peebothuhlu.)
At work.
Been slowly perusing the thread.
So a thought occurred to me.
Please correct any errors etc.
So..... given the qualities of the X-tian diety (Let us be as broad as possible so as to effectively include all denominations) everything in our reality, seen and unseen, is some how a manifest part of/result of or 'From' said diety. Yes?
So.... if everything that abounds is 'From diety' and it is not a part of said diety to 'Lie'.
Whence from comes falsehood?
*Ponders the inponderable which mayhap becomes really ponderous..... *
EDIT: Or.... is this simply a variation upon the 'Problem of evil' ?
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RE: If god can't lie, does that mean he can't do everything?
October 16, 2020 at 8:24 pm
(October 16, 2020 at 8:05 pm)Peebo-Thuhlu Wrote: At work.
Been slowly perusing the thread.
So a thought occurred to me.
Please correct any errors etc.
So..... given the qualities of the X-tian diety (Let us be as broad as possible so as to effectively include all denominations) everything in our reality, seen and unseen, is some how a manifest part of/result of or 'From' said diety. Yes?
So.... if everything that abounds is 'From diety' and it is not a part of said diety to 'Lie'.
Whence from comes falsehood?
*Ponders the inponderable which mayhap becomes really ponderous..... *
EDIT: Or.... is this simply a variation upon the 'Problem of evil' ?
It’s not really a part of the problem of evil, even if you consider falsehoods to be evil. Biblically speaking, God is able to (and sometimes does) deliberately deceive people, so one may argue that falsehoods are a part of God’s nature.
Boru
‘But it does me no injury for my neighbour to say there are twenty gods or no gods. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg.’ - Thomas Jefferson
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RE: If god can't lie, does that mean he can't do everything?
October 16, 2020 at 8:42 pm
At work.
(October 16, 2020 at 8:24 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: (October 16, 2020 at 8:05 pm)Peebo-Thuhlu Wrote: Been slowly perusing the thread.
So a thought occurred to me.
Please correct any errors etc.
So..... given the qualities of the X-tian diety (Let us be as broad as possible so as to effectively include all denominations) everything in our reality, seen and unseen, is some how a manifest part of/result of or 'From' said diety. Yes?
So.... if everything that abounds is 'From diety' and it is not a part of said diety to 'Lie'.
Whence from comes falsehood?
*Ponders the inponderable which mayhap becomes really ponderous..... *
EDIT: Or.... is this simply a variation upon the 'Problem of evil' ?
It’s not really a part of the problem of evil, even if you consider falsehoods to be evil. Biblically speaking, God is able to (and sometimes does) deliberately deceive people, so one may argue that falsehoods are a part of God’s nature.
Boru
So.... if the diety can tell falsehoods...
Why worship a trickster diety?
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RE: If god can't lie, does that mean he can't do everything?
October 17, 2020 at 5:39 am
(October 16, 2020 at 8:42 pm)Peebo-Thuhlu Wrote: At work.
(October 16, 2020 at 8:24 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: It’s not really a part of the problem of evil, even if you consider falsehoods to be evil. Biblically speaking, God is able to (and sometimes does) deliberately deceive people, so one may argue that falsehoods are a part of God’s nature.
Boru
So.... if the diety can tell falsehoods...
Why worship a trickster diety?
IDK, maybe for the same reason those claiming to believe in the supernatural in leadership positions do the song and dance for the benefits? I suspect they do, while their actual beliefs are a mystery.
"The first principle is that you must not fool yourself — and you are the easiest person to fool." - Richard P. Feynman
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RE: If god can't lie, does that mean he can't do everything?
October 17, 2020 at 5:42 am
(October 16, 2020 at 8:42 pm)Peebo-Thuhlu Wrote: At work.
(October 16, 2020 at 8:24 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: It’s not really a part of the problem of evil, even if you consider falsehoods to be evil. Biblically speaking, God is able to (and sometimes does) deliberately deceive people, so one may argue that falsehoods are a part of God’s nature.
Boru
So.... if the diety can tell falsehoods...
Why worship a trickster diety?
Yeah, that’s a puzzle. Yahweh has deliberately deceived people in order to condemn them for false beliefs.
If I were so inclined, I’d prefer to worship a god who didn’t feel it had to trick me into Hell.
Boru
‘But it does me no injury for my neighbour to say there are twenty gods or no gods. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg.’ - Thomas Jefferson
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RE: If god can't lie, does that mean he can't do everything?
October 17, 2020 at 8:33 am
My United Pentecostal dad is so often exclaiming all the wonderful things God does for him. Sure, his third wife (also Pentecostal) left him and he doesn't have a pension or retirement savings; but he gets the warm glow of knowing his haters are in or going to hell. That would include his first wife, my mom, who was the wrong kind of Pentecostal (Assembly of God).
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RE: If god can't lie, does that mean he can't do everything?
October 17, 2020 at 9:14 am
(October 16, 2020 at 8:05 pm)Peebo-Thuhlu Wrote: At work.
Been slowly perusing the thread.
So a thought occurred to me.
Please correct any errors etc.
So..... given the qualities of the X-tian diety (Let us be as broad as possible so as to effectively include all denominations) everything in our reality, seen and unseen, is some how a manifest part of/result of or 'From' said diety. Yes?
So.... if everything that abounds is 'From diety' and it is not a part of said diety to 'Lie'.
Whence from comes falsehood?
*Ponders the inponderable which mayhap becomes really ponderous..... *
EDIT: Or.... is this simply a variation upon the 'Problem of evil' ?
I had a similar question about Taoism in my 20s. If the Tao is the ideal, and everything emanates from the Tao, then whence comes bad. I had a different answer at the time, but I believe the standard answer is that falsehood, and indeed all things bad, is a deviation from God's perfection, brought on by the separation from God. Augustine expressed this as bad being the absence of good. And the writers of the bible expressed it in the story of the fall. In short, bad comes about because the world is not capable of perpetual perfection like God is. I think in the final analysis, that answer fails, but I believe it's the most common one.
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