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RE: If god can't lie, does that mean he can't do everything?
October 17, 2020 at 4:00 pm
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Yes Angrboda I'd heard the "Perfect diety made an imperfect world" comment idea somewhere before.
Still doesn't make sense though, again, I might be thinking about it incorrectly.
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RE: If god can't lie, does that mean he can't do everything?
February 23, 2021 at 11:40 am
(August 26, 2020 at 10:33 am)Eleven Wrote: If god can't lie, does that mean he can't do everything?
I wish this question was my own, but I saw it on FB.
The question is still valid, however.
Truth is inherently an aspect of God (much like beauty, or justice, or mercy, or forgiveness).
And so, it is not so much a case of God is unable to lie, so much as it is "the truth can't be false" - to suggest otherwise would be a logical fallacy.
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RE: If god can't lie, does that mean he can't do everything?
February 23, 2021 at 12:14 pm
(February 23, 2021 at 11:40 am)Redstar Wrote: (August 26, 2020 at 10:33 am)Eleven Wrote: If god can't lie, does that mean he can't do everything?
I wish this question was my own, but I saw it on FB.
The question is still valid, however.
Truth is inherently an aspect of God (much like beauty, or justice, or mercy, or forgiveness).
And so, it is not so much a case of God is unable to lie, so much as it is "the truth can't be false" - to suggest otherwise would be a logical fallacy.
Why only ascribe "good" things to god?
Shouldn't bad things like deception also be inherent aspects of god, seeing as god is the supposed blueprint for the whole Universe and human psyche?
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RE: If god can't lie, does that mean he can't do everything?
February 23, 2021 at 12:25 pm
(February 23, 2021 at 11:40 am)Redstar Wrote: (August 26, 2020 at 10:33 am)Eleven Wrote: If god can't lie, does that mean he can't do everything?
I wish this question was my own, but I saw it on FB.
The question is still valid, however.
Truth is inherently an aspect of God (much like beauty, or justice, or mercy, or forgiveness).
And so, it is not so much a case of God is unable to lie, so much as it is "the truth can't be false" - to suggest otherwise would be a logical fallacy.
Hmmm..... thinking of a flood, a couple of erased towns and an unnecessary trick (lie) with a snake.
And lets not forget the bears eating kids.
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RE: If god can't lie, does that mean he can't do everything?
February 23, 2021 at 12:40 pm
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(February 23, 2021 at 11:40 am)Redstar Wrote: (August 26, 2020 at 10:33 am)Eleven Wrote: If god can't lie, does that mean he can't do everything?
I wish this question was my own, but I saw it on FB.
The question is still valid, however.
Truth is inherently an aspect of God (much like beauty, or justice, or mercy, or forgiveness).
And so, it is not so much a case of God is unable to lie, so much as it is "the truth can't be false" - to suggest otherwise would be a logical fallacy.
Okay, cool.
So.... is everything a part of said diety's nature?
You mention 'Beauty' (Which would actually seem to ve more individual specific and hence 'Subjective') so does that also include hideousness? (Que Monty Python's "All things dull and ugly)
The diety can NOT lie. So, again, if everything stems from said diety whence comes any falsehoods? The implication being that falsehoods can't come from a 'Totally truthful' diety.
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RE: If god can't lie, does that mean he can't do everything?
February 23, 2021 at 2:17 pm
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(February 23, 2021 at 12:14 pm)pocaracas Wrote: (February 23, 2021 at 11:40 am)Redstar Wrote: Truth is inherently an aspect of God (much like beauty, or justice, or mercy, or forgiveness).
And so, it is not so much a case of God is unable to lie, so much as it is "the truth can't be false" - to suggest otherwise would be a logical fallacy.
Why only ascribe "good" things to god?
Shouldn't bad things like deception also be inherent aspects of god, seeing as god is the supposed blueprint for the whole Universe and human psyche?
It's bound up in their beliefs about a moralizing god. Probably already said it - but a monotheistic or henotheistic god is commonly incapable of doing whatever a god believer thinks it would be bad for a god to do. Taboo. This one thinks that lying sucks, so his good god can't lie. It's not a logical product, but it's important to rationalize the belief in order to avoid saying a bad thing..which is, frankly, yes he believes that there are tons of things a god can't do - and none of them are a problem for his idea of the power or nature of a god.
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February 23, 2021 at 2:33 pm
(February 23, 2021 at 2:17 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: (February 23, 2021 at 12:14 pm)pocaracas Wrote: Why only ascribe "good" things to god?
Shouldn't bad things like deception also be inherent aspects of god, seeing as god is the supposed blueprint for the whole Universe and human psyche?
It's bound up in their beliefs about a moralizing god. Probably already said it - but a monotheistic or henotheistic god is commonly incapable of doing whatever a god believer thinks it would be bad for a god to do. Taboo. This one thinks that lying sucks, so his good god can't lie. It's not a logical product, but it's important to rationalize the belief in order to avoid saying a bad thing..which is, frankly, yes he believes that there are tons of things a god can't do - and none of them are a problem for his idea of the power or nature of a god.
Thus enforcing the position that man creates god in his own image.
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February 23, 2021 at 2:41 pm
Very explicitly in the case of theistic gods, as this is their defining feature.
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RE: If god can't lie, does that mean he can't do everything?
February 24, 2021 at 9:50 am
(October 2, 2020 at 10:22 am)Drich Wrote:  I said two words aloud. he told me of my past present and future. what's truly sad is your indoctrination is so deep you can only see a negative here. because what did the guy have to gain? a 5 min ride? 2 dollars? if you really did watch the video i had in the store made up my mind to give him that ride and that 2 dollars before he said anything about me. Not only that what i got in return changed my life for the positive, because in exchange he gave me information to not only navigate my current situation, peace of mind when a romantic interest did not pan out, a fore telling of finicinacial opportunities, and warnings of dangers and pit falls to come.. I have not only took advantage of situations i might have shied away from and refused opportunities that did not pan out. Not only that his advise had me stick with the young lady who was to be my wife through a hard recovery that i would have normally run from, on his word because he told me if i could make it through this hardship she would be my perfect match. we are business partners, best friends, and awesome up down partners. been together 20 years now and we literally spend every waking moment together, as we live and work in the same space, and till this year shared an office together.
here is the written version of the video i did back in 2012 it talks more about my wife part.
https://atheistforums.org/thread-13378.html
I'm still struck by this. So, God picks favorites? Where is my personal visit to make everything in life better? If this sounds like jealousy, you bet your ass it is. Supposedly, he's my Creator too, isn't he? I don't see how you can sit there and talk about the perfect goodness of God simply because he treated you special and left the rest of us hanging. That's actually an example of the opposite.
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February 24, 2021 at 10:02 am
(February 24, 2021 at 9:50 am)Five Wrote: (October 2, 2020 at 10:22 am)Drich Wrote: I said two words aloud. he told me of my past present and future. what's truly sad is your indoctrination is so deep you can only see a negative here. because what did the guy have to gain? a 5 min ride? 2 dollars? if you really did watch the video i had in the store made up my mind to give him that ride and that 2 dollars before he said anything about me. Not only that what i got in return changed my life for the positive, because in exchange he gave me information to not only navigate my current situation, peace of mind when a romantic interest did not pan out, a fore telling of finicinacial opportunities, and warnings of dangers and pit falls to come.. I have not only took advantage of situations i might have shied away from and refused opportunities that did not pan out. Not only that his advise had me stick with the young lady who was to be my wife through a hard recovery that i would have normally run from, on his word because he told me if i could make it through this hardship she would be my perfect match. we are business partners, best friends, and awesome up down partners. been together 20 years now and we literally spend every waking moment together, as we live and work in the same space, and till this year shared an office together.
here is the written version of the video i did back in 2012 it talks more about my wife part.
https://atheistforums.org/thread-13378.html
I'm still struck by this. So, God picks favorites? Where is my personal visit to make everything in life better? If this sounds like jealousy, you bet your ass it is. Supposedly, he's my Creator too, isn't he? I don't see how you can sit there and talk about the perfect goodness of God simply because he treated you special and left the rest of us hanging. That's actually an example of the opposite.
A bit of friendly advice...Drich is a bit out there. He talks to angels and god cured him of some sort of ailment. It's best to take anything written by Drich with a grain of salt the size of a Volkswagen.
Also note that he uses the forum to try to get more views of his videos...don't fall for it.
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