BREAKING:Trump refuses to commit to a peaceful transition of power after Election Day

[Anomalocaris]

Then I look forward to footage of him being dragged out of the Oval Office by his puzzling and complicated hair.

it will take considerably more that the richly earned degradation of trump to prevent the rise of many more trumps, as well as even more blood thirsty would be tyrants. 

it takes the political degradation of the republican party, but more importantly, personal, financial and familial degradation of essentially the entire current slate of republican elected officials and political appointees to create the environment to diminish that likelihood for any reasonable amount of time.

[Rev. Rye]

I don’t think this is all that much to worry about. After all, the Legislative branch is there to act as a bulwark against Executive tyranny, right? The collective voice of Republicans in both houses of Congress has been absolutely deafening in denouncing Trump’s clear intention to stay in power even if he loses the election. They know their own minds and would never be lapdogs for the president. Rest easy.

Boru

Of course! Remember the impeachment earlier in the year, where Trump admitted to an illegal Quid Pro Quo with the Ukraine and the Republicans decided to forgo partisan policies for once and took Trump out of office? It’s weird that Trump’s still running and not Pence, but whatever!  There’s nothing to fear!

[Sal]

Here's more doomer pills, from Vaush. If you feel like ruining your day, that is.

[arewethereyet]

Trump has methodically set out every reason he can to contest the election. There's only one reason to go through all that and that is because he is genuinely afraid he is going to lose.

From fighting mail in voting to falling all over himself to get a new justice seated...he is covering all the bases.

It ain't gonna be pretty come November 4 regardless of the result.

[Fireball]

I expect the SS to be a pretty conservative bunch, given their job description. I'd like to be a fly on the wall when he refuses to leave and has to be cuffed and conducted out of the building, along with his spawn. I hope to living fuck that he loses the electoral vote. There's still going to be hell to pay, and while I see people threatening civil war, I still expect that it will be shit done in effigy. As upset as all the rednecks were over horrors!  Obama being elected, there wasn't a civil war. I attribute that to rhetoric, nothing more. At the core, USians are law-abiding citizens, even if some of them talk like paper tigers. It's part of the reason that, while I truly despise how things are here, I just can't bring myself to leave.

[WinterHold]

The Trump campaign is reportedly looking into ways to circumvent the 2020 election, using GOP majority state legislatures in important swing states to bypass the popular vote and appoint loyal electors to Trump. 

We're here, ladies and gentlemen. That old saying about "when fascism comes to America...". It's officially arrived. 

What may end up saving us is Trump's mouth and how he has antagonized our military.

And how do you think his having antagonized our military would save us?

To be blunt, do you think the military has the moral courage, or even clarity, to prevent his seizing power?   The military will use “it’s not our role under the constitution to......” to let democracy die.

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Fortunately he has done a terrible job of gaining the committed support of the military, so he won't be able to pull off a traditional coup. If he loses the election, he'll make his ouster as messy as possible, though. Expect a shit show of litigating results.

No, he probably already pulled off the coup.  Republicans will defend his coup with far more Unity, determination, vigor and ruthlessness than opponents of the coup will resist it.   The republicans corralled a mob into an army.    Their opponents thinks it is a point of principle to remain a mob.  

Other country often needs more ruthless, cunning, Diligent, perserverent Usurpers to topple even a fragile  democracy amidst a short a sketchy history of participative government to Establish or reestablish a dictatorship.    

The country that serenades itself with lullabies about “land of the free and home of the brave” only needs Fox News and trump.

We’ve become a country where the dominant political fractions mistake chest thumping for courage, sadism for morality, indecision for unity, ruthless selfishness for freedom, Irresponsibility for inalienable right, and buck passing for Moral high ground.

The American army proved to be "lacking a moral code" strong enough for it to withstand such a shock from the inside of the government.

The U.S army was always good in following the directions of the governmental paradigm; just like the Roman army, If you take the paradigm down then soldiers have "nothing to follow" and nothing to unify them, and with the spread of firearms between the citizens you got your package: a civil war. A free for-all that was always kept under control by the constitution.

No law and no order, it will be the north vs the south allover again.

I think the army will intervene but not like you imagine: it will intervene just like the Roman legions intervened in Roman politics: each legion goes to a favorite general.

[GUBU]

And how do you think his having antagonized our military would save us?

To be blunt, do you think the military has the moral courage, or even clarity, to prevent his seizing power?   The military will use “it’s not our role under the constitution to......” to let democracy die.

Maybe we can hope for an American Stauffenberg.

Stauffenberg only turned after Nazi Germany lost. If Moscow had fallen in 41 or 42 there would have been no July 44 plot.

[Brian37]

Civil war began to manifest in the USA with Trump's rape of the presidential chair:

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/09/23/polit...index.html

Trump refuses to commit to a peaceful transition of power after Election Day

What do you expect to unfold until the elections? is America truly in the stage of collapse -like so many expected- or would an institution stronger than Trump would intervene and keep the state?

To me; this is a declaration of civil war from Trump's side; and as I said earlier: the biggest enemy of western people would evolve and mutate to be enemies from the west itself.

Trump is a criminal and not just that: this germ is infecting the USA with a new type of disease that either evolves and dominates or ceases and gets defeated but after causing a hell lot of damage.

I think America would not be one anymore. This country will witness a separation, and perhaps collapse.

You don't need to give us an update as to what a pile of shit Trump is. 50 former Republican intel agents warned America not to elect him during his run. The fucker has shit on war heros, and the free press, and minorities  and the fucker does it every day. 

We know we are on the edge.  Not sure what you want from us. That does not make the theocracies of Saudi Arabia or Iran any better.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

It has often been stated that the president has no real power, that he is merely a pawn on the governmental chessboard.

It's often said that Me and You and a Dog Named "Boo" would be a good trio.

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Maybe we can hope for an American Stauffenberg.

Stauffenberg only turned after Nazi Germany lost.  If Moscow had fallen in 41 or 42 there would have been no July 44 plot.

If the French and British had reacted when Hitler remilitarized the Rhineland there would have been an attempt to unseat Hitler.

[Anomalocaris]

It has often been stated that the president has no real power, that he is merely a pawn on the governmental chessboard.

It's often said that Me and You and a Dog Named "Boo" would be a good trio.

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Stauffenberg only turned after Nazi Germany lost.  If Moscow had fallen in 41 or 42 there would have been no July 44 plot.

If the French and British had reacted when Hitler remilitarized the Rhineland there would have been an attempt to unseat Hitler.

In both Rhineland and July 44 plot, the German army only acted, quite ineffectually, to forestall what appeared to be imminent and Complete military defeat.   It, including most of the major July coup plotters such as Stauffenberg himself, was otherwise quite happy With hitlerian policy objectives, totalitarianism, and most importantly, hitlerian atrocity.    

If we are to put our hopes in an american stauffenberg,  then we are really putting hopes in China and Russian being on the verge of achieving total victory over the country and wiping us off the map, and the military thinks a change of government is the only way to lessen the severity of the Carthaginian peace they will impose upon us, AND THEREBY SAVING SOME OF THE ACCUSTOMED INFLUENCES AND  SOCIAL PRIVILEGES OF THE OFFICER CLASS.    We can not hope that the military will uphold democracy at home because of nobility of purpose.


Even if a few officers have such nobility of purpose, the chain of command will stifle them.