Another gun discussion part deux.

[onlinebiker]

Whyizit?


Everyone wants to point at the US and scream about gun violence..

Look it up. The US comes in WAAAYY behind some other countries (per capita).


But they don't want to talk about Mexico or Brazil....


Just the US....


"Oh but those are THIRD WORLD COUNTRIES"
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So for some reason they don't count.....

The US ranks second in the number of gun deaths (behind Brazil) and 20th in deaths per capita.  Being 20th out of 197 doesn't seem like much to boast about.

Boru

And all those countries with draconian gun laws and a higher death rate per capita doesn't seem like much of an endorsement of those laws....

[The Grand Nudger]

If you take just a cursory glance at that list of countries, you might find that nothing about their numbers has much to do with law.

Absurd positions on issues like these don't make the case for guns, frankly..it actively harms that case.

[Drich]

got a youtube video?

Like this one where you use a hand drill and a router?





or would you prefer this one where everything is done on a drill press?

pretty sure jigs are not allowed. on the official documentation it approves only two tools. a hand drill and dremel. maybe it is state to state, but i know they crack down on people who buy 'manufacturing equipment' to process the 80% lowers. if you but things like lathes and drill presses they want you to get your manufacturing license.

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Strange, shooting Timmy hasn't taught you any such lesson, why would shooting a dog teach them..and what would it teach them that shooting Timmy doesn't?

when you turn something you love's head in side out the purpose of a gun goes from plinking cans or making noise in a video game to real life and death. these lessons can not be explained but rather can be only experienced. it makes the kid think twice before he lowers a shot gun to his buddy even if he sure it is unloaded and pull the trigger.

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they are not in fact as common as the fake news portrays, but they do happen and they happen because again sheer ignorance and insensitivity to guns and gun violence. if every timmy had to shoot his old yeller when the dog got mortally sick or wounded then there would be a far greater respect for guns and their usage. this is what happens when you shield your children from everything, they grow up not respecting anything even life itself.

Which is why I used actual statistics and not news sources. Because news stories tend to not put individual stories into perspective to show how common gun deaths are per capita or how those rates tally against the rest of the world. And for America, we don’t do very well by any objective sense of the word. Unless, of course, one of your metrics for doing well involves “how fast do these people kill themselves or each other?”

but again stats like this never look at the big picture all suicide all murder. they only look at murder or suicide with gun. verse suicide with gun in some other country. i'm saying the ratios are similar with similar cultures money or access to fire arms being the only difference.

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Whyizit?


Everyone wants to point at the US and scream about gun violence..

Look it up. The US comes in WAAAYY behind some other countries (per capita).


But they don't want to talk about Mexico or Brazil....


Just the US....


"Oh but those are THIRD WORLD COUNTRIES"
.....


So for some reason they don't count.....

also like to point out the cities in the us with the absolute worst gun violence/3rd world country level violence has the strictest or out right complete gun banns. this only serves to disarm law abiding citizens. the bad guys always can get guns and do not care what laws you put on the books.

[Rev. Rye]

Which is why I used actual statistics and not news sources. Because news stories tend to not put individual stories into perspective to show how common gun deaths are per capita or how those rates tally against the rest of the world. And for America, we don’t do very well by any objective sense of the word. Unless, of course, one of your metrics for doing well involves “how fast do these people kill themselves or each other?”

but again stats like this never look at the big picture all suicide all murder. they only look at murder or suicide with gun. verse suicide with gun in some other country. i'm saying the ratios are similar with similar cultures money or access to fire arms being the only difference.

Actually, the table I linked to does include firearm-related suicide per capita. It breaks the total firearm-related death rates of multiple countries down into homicide, suicide, unintentional, and unconfirmed. It turns out that, of all the firearm-related death categories, Suicide is the only one that the US truly tops. Of all the nations in the table, the only nations that have even half our gun-related suicide rate are Uruguay and Montenegro.

[onlinebiker]

What is the problem with suicide by firearm?


Granted - it leaves a bigger mess for somebody else to clean up - compared with a handful of barbituates and a fifth of bourbon -

But 

It's not as bad as those asshats that jump off high buildings and landing on the unsuspecting schlubs down below.....

[popeyespappy]

pretty sure jigs are not allowed. on the official documentation it approves only two tools. a hand drill and dremel. maybe it is state to state, but i know they crack down on people who buy 'manufacturing equipment' to process the 80% lowers. if you but things like lathes and drill presses they want you to get your manufacturing license.

I am 100% percent sure that jigs and whatever machine tools (including 3d printers) you want to use are legal for non-licensed individual to use to manufacture a gun for their own use. The only federal requirements for making a gun for yourself, as long as it does not require a NFA classification, is it is not intended for resale, and you can legally own a gun. Most states follow this model, but some require a things like a FOID and identifying marks such as manufacturer, place of manufacture, model number, and a serial number. You can even sell it after you are done as long as you didn't manufacture it with the intent to sell, but you have to add the identifying marks if you do.

What is not legal is to get someone else to finish an 80% for you. Then they are the manufacturer not you. If so they have to follow all the rules of a firearms manufacturer including performing a background check before they transfer something they made to a non-FFL. So you can't just take your 80% receiver down to the local machine shop and have them finish it for you, but you can certainly use your own mill, or one of dozens of different jigs available to make a perfectly functional and legal firearm with lesser tools.

[The Grand Nudger]

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Strange, shooting Timmy hasn't taught you any such lesson, why would shooting a dog teach them..and what would it teach them that shooting Timmy doesn't?

when you turn something you love's head in side out the purpose of a gun goes from plinking cans or making noise in a video game to real life and death. these lessons can not be explained but rather can be only experienced. it makes the kid think twice before he lowers a shot gun to his buddy even if he sure it is unloaded and pull the trigger.

Again, I doubt that shooting a dog is going to teach kids any lesson that having their friends shot isn't or couldn't teach them, and I note that nothing..absolutely nothing appears to have taught you any lesson about the value of human life.

I can't personally say that shooting a dog ever had anything to do with why I don't shoot my friends - but if that's what's keeping you from going full loon I hope you never run out of puppies.

[Dingo]

Either get rid of that amendment entirely or adhere to it entirely. In other words, make firearm ownership a privilege (not a right), or require every firearm owner to serve in ‘a well-regulated militia’.

Boru

militia is not regular army you know that right? a militia are those guns who show up to antifa rallies and 'guard' store fronts. kyle what's his name that shot 3 dudes is considered militia. I honestly believe most of us who do own long guns have several other people we hang out with that could very well be considered a small squad or even platoon of militia men. On the right I do not see that as an issue. however gun ownership on the left seems to be more self serving. there isn't a prevalent gun culture to speak of and when one is assembled (the not F-ing around boys/the all black open carry guys) can't seem to get together without negligently discharging their guns and shooting one another with them. Honestly the 2nd amendment is the only reason we have not plunged into a civil war yet.

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