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A very clever alien..
#31
RE: A very clever alien..
(November 13, 2020 at 12:59 pm)Klorophyll Wrote: It seems you're missing the point, folks. Just notice how no one simply screamed at me : the kids are the only beings around who could eat his dinner , then provide good reasons for that. Everyone just wanted some quick, down-to-earth solution to help the alien father, and got furious when I upgraded some of his kids' features. Not very patient problem solvers, after all!

In other words, atheists just want God to be like themselves, something they can see, touch, maybe even smell...

What?

The children aren't the only things that could have done the deed.

There's an entire world of reasons hiding off stage that could have caused the deed.

The whole affair is a poorly realised and written treatise of twadle.

Not at work.
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#32
RE: A very clever alien..
The wife made, invisible, intangible dinner.

Low on calories
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#33
RE: A very clever alien..
(November 12, 2020 at 7:55 pm)Klorophyll Wrote: Hi there,

Stop the silly stuff you're doing there. Just imagine some extremely high IQ alien, for whom QM and relativity are kindergarten stuff. This clever alien was able to figure out all our major advances in mathematics instantly. For our alien, following arguments and deducing things is a piece of cake. Earlier today, the alien announced that he reached the absolute best explanation of all observable phenomena in the universe, he even proved that his Theory of Everything cannot be improved any further.

Our same alien asked his wife this night to make dinner for him, as his research work is taking all of his waking time. She wasn't there when he returned home. Feeling completely exhausted, he fell asleep for some minutes, woke up and went for his long-awaited meal.

It appears one of his two kids mercilessly swallowed it. After he confronted them, they simply said : any formal proof that we ate your dinner, sir ? He thought long and hard and couldn't come up with any conclusive proof, that one (or two?) of his kids, as a personal, intelligent agent, went on and devoured his dinner. He just kept asking himself, banging his head, his deduction machine, really hard against the wall : what's wrong with me? I know that these bastards are the possible explanation for my meal's sudden disappearence.. But they're pressing me for some hardcore syllogism with them in the conclusion..? Did these fools really outsmart me ?

Can any atheist here help the alien, and back his kids into a corner?

This is an idiotic false analogy.

The scenario where his meal has been eaten, is a mundane situation. And the evidence required to be pretty sure that one or both of his children ate it, is also mundane. The meal was there, now it's not, his kids were the only ones who had access to it. Case pretty much closed. Even if the father wanted more concrete evidence, he could have their stomachs pumped.

If the kids claimed it was a magical being that ate his dinner, then it is up to them to meet their burden of proof.

How in the f*ck do you think you little hypothetical scenario relates to our not being convinced your god exists? Hint: it doesn't.

You'd believe if you just opened your heart" is a terrible argument for religion. It's basically saying, "If you bias yourself enough, you can convince yourself that this is true." If religion were true, people wouldn't need faith to believe it -- it would be supported by good evidence.
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#34
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Yep, the super smert alien is pissed. Foiled by rednecks again.
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#35
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(November 13, 2020 at 1:08 pm)Simon Moon Wrote: This is an idiotic false analogy.

The scenario where his meal has been eaten, is a mundane situation. And the evidence required to be pretty sure that one or both of his children ate it, is also mundane. 

Now we're getting somewhere. And why is it mundane, sir ? How can such trivial matters resist any attempt to give a logical proof ?
Qur'anic revelation is the sole path to ultimate reality. All argumentation and philosophy is an expression of arrogance and an overestimation of human cognitive ability. 

"But believe me, Cleanthes, the most natural feeling that a well-disposed mind will have on this occasion is a longing desire and expectation that God will be pleased to remove or at least to lessen this profound ignorance, by giving mankind some particular revelation, revealing the nature, attributes, and operations of the divine object of our faith." (Hume's Dialogues)


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#36
RE: A very clever alien..
Mundane - of this earthly world rather than a heavenly or spiritual one.

Dinner, food, who ate what, you tell us.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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#37
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(November 13, 2020 at 1:20 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: Mundane - of this earthly world rather than a heavenly or spiritual one.

Dinner, food, who ate what, you tell us.

I don't know. I didn't see the kids eating any dinner. Tut Tut
Qur'anic revelation is the sole path to ultimate reality. All argumentation and philosophy is an expression of arrogance and an overestimation of human cognitive ability. 

"But believe me, Cleanthes, the most natural feeling that a well-disposed mind will have on this occasion is a longing desire and expectation that God will be pleased to remove or at least to lessen this profound ignorance, by giving mankind some particular revelation, revealing the nature, attributes, and operations of the divine object of our faith." (Hume's Dialogues)


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#38
RE: A very clever alien..
Is it a language barrier? You asked why the issue of who ate what and how we might prove it was mundane, and the answer is that this is what the word mundane refers to.

Whether you do or don't see kids eating dinner - is mundane. Seeing, mundane. Dinner. Mundane. Kids, mundane. Seeing or not seeing kids eat dinner........

......mundane.

That's a word we use to refer to the category of things that we are discussing. Get it?
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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#39
RE: A very clever alien..
(November 12, 2020 at 7:55 pm)Klorophyll Wrote: Hi there,

Stop the silly stuff you're doing there. Just imagine some extremely high IQ alien, for whom QM and relativity are kindergarten stuff. This clever alien was able to figure out all our major advances in mathematics instantly. For our alien, following arguments and deducing things is a piece of cake. Earlier today, the alien announced that he reached the absolute best explanation of all observable phenomena in the universe, he even proved that his Theory of Everything cannot be improved any further.

Our same alien asked his wife this night to make dinner for him, as his research work is taking all of his waking time. She wasn't there when he returned home. Feeling completely exhausted, he fell asleep for some minutes, woke up and went for his long-awaited meal.

It appears one of his two kids mercilessly swallowed it. After he confronted them, they simply said : any formal proof that we ate your dinner, sir ? He thought long and hard and couldn't come up with any conclusive proof, that one (or two?) of his kids, as a personal, intelligent agent, went on and devoured his dinner. He just kept asking himself, banging his head, his deduction machine, really hard against the wall : what's wrong with me? I know that these bastards are the possible explanation for my meal's sudden disappearence.. But they're pressing me for some hardcore syllogism with them in the conclusion..? Did these fools really outsmart me ?

Can any atheist here help the alien, and back his kids into a corner?

You just made a really fucking long-winded Appeal to Authority (the very very very smart alien being so bloody cool or because of 'intelligence' or some shit) coupled with an Argument from Ignorance (he can't prove a negative assertion, big whoop, no one can, neither your very very very smart alien). Try again, fool.

Maybe someday, just maybe, you'll start trying out this shit with a bowling team, and how your interpretation of your particular god image plays better bowling and gets strikes all the time at every throw down the lane. Just maybe, you'll actually test out if your delusions matter. I'm going all-in that you never will, and you'll die just as clueless as this OP.

(November 12, 2020 at 8:12 pm)Klorophyll Wrote:
(November 12, 2020 at 8:04 pm)brewer Wrote: He does not need a formal proof. Superglue bags to the kids asses and analyze their shit during the next 6 to 48 hours.

Fuck me. Am I smart or what. Bring on the QM.

Good attempt. Unfortunately, the alien kids have some high tech gastrointestinal tract, they discharge their feces instantly. So, their father came too late.

Ad hoc.

(November 12, 2020 at 8:17 pm)Klorophyll Wrote:
(November 12, 2020 at 8:15 pm)SUNGULA Wrote: So he will simply make shit up as he goes along to negate any evidence. Lol, you can disprove anything when you can simply make things up to change scenarios on the fly.

I don't care. The alien father is a deduction machine. You atheists should find your way out of this mess with deduction only.

Shifting the Burden of Proof, as well as Fallacy fallacy. Got more?
"The first principle is that you must not fool yourself — and you are the easiest person to fool." - Richard P. Feynman
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#40
RE: A very clever alien..
(November 12, 2020 at 8:12 pm)Klorophyll Wrote:
(November 12, 2020 at 8:04 pm)brewer Wrote: He does not need a formal proof. Superglue bags to the kids asses and analyze their shit during the next 6 to 48 hours.

Fuck me. Am I smart or what. Bring on the QM.

Good attempt. Unfortunately, the alien kids have some high tech gastrointestinal tract, they discharge their feces instantly. So, their father came too late.

So you posit a species that has no way to process nutrients from matter they ingest. Why, then do they eat, as it is a useless activity?
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