What will win the god wars? Faith, Fantasy, Facts, or God?

[arewethereyet]

Idiotic and self referentially false.  Magic book gets how things are wrong with regularity, and that much has been opined upon at length in history and on these boards.  You emphatically have not abandoned your stupid religion on account of this..because..ultimately, your stupid religion isn't predicate on how things are, but how you believe they should be.

You may not realize it..but I'm the sympathetic figure in this dilemma.

I hear you and your stupid fellow cultists tell us all how things should be..and..at least sometimes, I agree.  That's as good as it gets for you.  That's the nadir of your stupid fucking religion.  Gratz.

This is just a pile of words. Can you be a bit more specific ? Never mind, let me show you what mistakes actually look like : 

2 Kings 25 NIV

8. On the seventh day of the fifth month, in the nineteenth year of Nebuchadnezzar king of Babylon, Nebuzaradan commander of the imperial guard, an official of the king of Babylon, came to Jerusalem.

Jeremiah 52 NIV

12. On the tenth day of the fifth month, in the nineteenth year of Nebuchadnezzar king of Babylon, Nebuzaradan commander of the imperial guard, who served the king of Babylon, came to Jerusalem.

As you can see here, we have exactly the same event, described with the same words, but occuring at different days. And BOOM the bible is man made; all christian apologetics down the toilet, this mistake can't be reconciled in any way.

Can you do that for the Qur'an ?

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Bullshit...you know exactly what your are doing with your word choices.  You are a dishonest piece of shit.  But that's not news.

Why all this swearing ? Something wrong ? And can you answer my question ?

If I am going to read fiction it's not going to be someone's holy book.  I am not into trashy novels.

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

Can you do that for the Qur'an ?

I'll have a lash at it.

Sura 7:54 says, 'Surely your Lord is Allah, Who created the heavens and the earth in six days.' This seems clear and unambiguous. God created everything there was to create in six days.

But in Sura 41:9-12, we have, 'Do you verily disbelieve in Him Who created the earth in two Days and you set up rivals with Him? That is the Lord of the Alamin...He placed therein firm mountains from above it and he bless it, and measured therein its sustenance in four days...Then he completed and finished from their creation as seven heavens in two days...' This is saying that God took two days to create the Earth, four days to add mountains, bless it, and do some measuring, then two more days to create the heavens. This is a total of eight days.

So, one part of the Quran says God created the heavens and the earth in six days, another part says it took him eight days.  Since they can't both be right, this is a mistake and BOOM, the Quran is man-made.

Thank you, I'll be here all week.

Boru

[R00tKiT]

I'll have a lash at it.

Sura 7:54 says, 'Surely your Lord is Allah, Who created the heavens and the earth in six days.' This seems clear and unambiguous. God created everything there was to create in six days.

But in Sura 41:9-12, we have, 'Do you verily disbelieve in Him Who created the earth in two Days and you set up rivals with Him? That is the Lord of the Alamin...He placed therein firm mountains from above it and he bless it, and measured therein its sustenance in four days...Then he completed and finished from their creation as seven heavens in two days...' This is saying that God took two days to create the Earth, four days to add mountains, bless it, and do some measuring, then two more days to create the heavens. This is a total of eight days.

You have no "then" between the first step and the second. Nothing says in the verse that the two-day period and the four-day one are disjoint. Most exegesis here includes the period of creating earth in the four day period. So the sum total is still 4+2=6.  And boom the Qur'an is Allah's word.

But if you can give prove from the verse that the two first periods are disjoint, then you're done with Islam. Good luck;

The arabic version doesn't yield this confusion, as the time conjunctions used between the periods are very precise.

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

I'll have a lash at it.

Sura 7:54 says, 'Surely your Lord is Allah, Who created the heavens and the earth in six days.' This seems clear and unambiguous. God created everything there was to create in six days.

But in Sura 41:9-12, we have, 'Do you verily disbelieve in Him Who created the earth in two Days and you set up rivals with Him? That is the Lord of the Alamin...He placed therein firm mountains from above it and he bless it, and measured therein its sustenance in four days...Then he completed and finished from their creation as seven heavens in two days...' This is saying that God took two days to create the Earth, four days to add mountains, bless it, and do some measuring, then two more days to create the heavens. This is a total of eight days.

You have no "then" between the first step and the second. Nothing says in the verse that the two-day period and the four-day one are disjoint. Most exegesis here includes the period of creating earth in the four day period. So the sum total is still 4+2=6.  And boom the Qur'an is Allah's word.

But if you can give prove from the verse that the two first periods are disjoint, then you're done with Islam. Good luck;

Wrong. Either he created the earth and the mountains in two days, or he created the earth in two days and the mountains in four days. Either way, you cannot, from the above translation, turn 6 into 8.  You lose, Allah loses, your whole barbarous religion loses.

Welcome to atheism.

Boru

[R00tKiT]

he created the earth in two days and the mountains in four days.

You're not considering what I just said. Nothing tells you these two actions in bold are disjoint in time, plus the Arabic version doesn't have this problem.

It's correct to say in Arabic for example : "I spent ten days in Paris then moved to Rouen for thirteen days", while the subject spent merely 3 days in Rouen. The sentence does look problematic when translated.

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

he created the earth in two days and the mountains in four days.

You're not considering what I just said. Nothing tells you these two actions in bold are disjoint in time, plus the Arabic version doesn't have this problem.

It's correct to say in Arabic for example : "I spent ten days in Paris then moved to Rouen for thirteen days", while the subject spent merely 3 days in Rouen. The sentence does look problematic when translated.

I thought you said knowing Arabic wasn’t necessary in order to understand the Quran. We’re you lying then or are you lying now?

Boru

[Apollo]

Guys, please, if god is subject to time (requires time to complete a task) then he’s not a fucking omnipotent and omniscient or is he?

This is all mental illogical mumbo jumbo to begin with. You can contort anything to make up anything. This is why bs books like quran are such irrational mess and their followers simpletons—you’ve to be a simple minded person to keep believing in this crap. That’s the prerequisite.

[Foxaèr]

Obviously, Kloro is lucky enough to possess a secret Quran decoder ring while the rest of us are stuck with mood rings.

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

Guys, please, if god is subject to time (requires time to complete a task) then he’s not a fucking omnipotent and omniscient or is he?

This is all mental illogical mumbo jumbo to begin with. You can contort anything to make up anything. This is why bs books like quran are such irrational mess and their followers simpletons—you’ve to be a simple minded person to keep believing in this crap. That’s the prerequisite.

That isn't the point being addressed here, which is whether or not these so-called holy books contain errors and contradictions. Your own point - that gods cannot logically be subject to temporal constraints and remain gods - is well taken. But what we're considering is whether or not a perfect deity has written (or, more accurately, dictated) a perfect book. The answer is clearly 'no'.

Which naturally leads to this question: If God wants people to behave in such a way as to be saved, why are the instructions for doing so written in such a way as to be subject to disagreement?

Boru

[The Grand Nudger]

Still a muslim, huh Kloro? What's the point of stupid lies for your stupid religion. Isn't it already bad enough? It's hilarious to me that you insisted that a little editing error was all it would take.

@ Boru
Gotta wonder why these folks think that gods write books at all. Why not put the instructions in the food, in the water, in the air?