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Was the condemnation of man justified?
#31
RE: Was the condemnation of man justified?
Welcome back, Drich. I'm sorry, but at the end of the day, your views on Christiantity, God, and the bible are nothing but fan fiction from someone with more chutzpah than brains.
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#32
RE: Was the condemnation of man justified?
(January 8, 2021 at 9:37 am)The Grand Nudger Wrote: The becoming like one of us rationale.  Take a step outside of peoples superstitious beliefs and remember that the people writing that had been fucked by one god king after another and ask yourself why they might think that a man becoming like a god would be a bad thing.

Do we really disagree?  The underlying moral contention - which is what sacred narratives are about, is that it is imperative that some things not be possible for man, given our nature.  Given what we have already been seen to have done.  When we criticize the theists gods for acting like the picture of a psychotically powerful human being, we're expressing the same sentiment.  That there's something wrong with that, that it would be bad for a person to be like a god, or..vv, for a god to be like a person.

Interesting perspective. Thank you.
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#33
RE: Was the condemnation of man justified?
(January 7, 2021 at 5:06 pm)HappySkeptic Wrote:
(January 7, 2021 at 4:35 pm)Drich Wrote: i think you have a medieval understanding of condemnation. you see morality and condemation as a measure of self value or worth in relation to a standard you will never measure up to. when in fact sin or the identification of sin in a person is handled by God more like how we handle an infection or virus.
 
his sacrifice was the only thing that would yield a vaccine/cure. all God then required to have access to this vaccine/cure is simply acknowledgement of the cost, and who provided it.

The creator of the universe can only cure some mass psychic infection by using blood magic?

if he so chooses to do so this way then yes. in fact what better way than to divide those who wish to follow and serve God from those who do not than to make it a choice of inoculation? will you save yourself and serve God or not?
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#34
RE: Was the condemnation of man justified?
Funny thing about this virus of yours, it actually will go away when christians do.

Poof, like magic.
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#35
RE: Was the condemnation of man justified?
(January 8, 2021 at 12:24 pm)Angrboda Wrote: Welcome back, Drich.  I'm sorry, but at the end of the day, your views on Christiantity, God, and the bible are nothing but fan fiction from someone with more chutzpah than brains.

can you demonstrate this so called 'fan fiction' derived from my views of Christianity or are we to take a self admitted nonbelievers word on what is and is not doctrine? if you cant believe then how is it are to understand? and if you do not understand what is and is not God then how are you supposed to know what is and what is not doctrine? yours is an ad hom /kill the messenger rather than address the message, message.

(January 8, 2021 at 3:45 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: Funny thing about this virus of yours, it actually will go away when christians do.

did you ever read the "I am legend" book? not the will smith movie they really crapped up the ending and what made this story so great. (spoiler) in the book Dr. Nevil never finds the cure to the vampire virus. but rather comes to the understanding that the whole world was now vampire. the whole world were monsters. at least to him and the society he came from. now that he was the one that was different it was he who by the standard of society became the monster, because his acts rules and values were so different from vampire soceity... By your own reckoning, you see the majority define the norm. what you fail to understand just because being a monster is normal, doesn't make it right.
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#36
RE: Was the condemnation of man justified?
(January 8, 2021 at 3:46 pm)Drich Wrote:
(January 8, 2021 at 12:24 pm)Angrboda Wrote: Welcome back, Drich.  I'm sorry, but at the end of the day, your views on Christiantity, God, and the bible are nothing but fan fiction from someone with more chutzpah than brains.

can you demonstrate this so called 'fan fiction' derived from my views of Christianity or are we to take a self admitted nonbelievers word on what is and is not doctrine? if you cant believe then how is it are to understand? and if you do not understand what is and is not God then how are you supposed to know what is and what is not doctrine? yours is an ad hom /kill the messenger rather than address the message, message.

I don't have to be a grape to judge the wine. And I've corrected you on doctrine multiple times. You're simply another delusional idiot.
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#37
RE: Was the condemnation of man justified?
(January 8, 2021 at 3:46 pm)Drich Wrote:
(January 8, 2021 at 3:45 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: Funny thing about this virus of yours, it actually will go away when christians do.

did you ever read the "I am legend" book? not the will smith movie they really crapped up the ending and what made this story so great. (spoiler) in the book Dr. Nevil never finds the cure to the vampire virus. but rather comes to the understanding that the whole world was now vampire. the whole world were monsters. at least to him and the society he came from. now that he was the one that was different it was he who by the standard of society became the monster, because his acts rules and values were so different from vampire soceity... By your own reckoning, you see the majority define the norm. what you fail to understand just because being a monster is normal, doesn't make it right.

I have, yeah, I was on a kick years back.  I'll say this, they got the dog part right, in the movie.  It got you, lol.

It wasn't because he was different, ofc..it was because he'd been dragging them out of their beds and killing them.  Entire families.  That's why he was the monster...because he was the godamned boogeyman.....but I'm not surprised that you think it's cuz he was different™.

Go ahead and tell me more about how the best way to explain your totally true virus religion is to butcher mathesons sci fiction for thematic effect, though. All ears. It's the kind of thing I'm always yammering about where you take some religious belief or literature seriously, and the faithful pop up to insist that it's not that, that it's some looney shit.

...I would be particularly interested in seeing who you thought the christians were, in that comparison....come to think of it.

Additionally, as ever, whenever you deign to open your mouth about society and norms and what is right, I have to remind you that -by my reckoning- society doesn't do that at all. Realist, remember, not a relativist like yourself.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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#38
RE: Was the condemnation of man justified?
(January 7, 2021 at 4:35 pm)Drich Wrote:
(December 7, 2020 at 3:09 pm)Greatest I am Wrote: Was the condemnation of man justified?
i think you have a medieval understanding of condemnation. you see morality and condemation as a measure of self value or worth in relation to a standard you will never measure up to. when in fact sin or the identification of sin in a person is handled by God more like how we handle an infection or virus.
 
Quote:If not justified, Jesus was not required to ask us to do evil by accepting human sacrifice.
 
his sacrifice was the only thing that would yield a vaccine/cure. all God then required to have access to this vaccine/cure is simply acknowledgement of the cost, and who provided it.
Quote:I do not recall any of my many sins ever being bad enough to earn condemnation.
 
this is why i said God sees sin more like how we handle a virus. God is not concerned in how or what mild activity you were doing when you contracted the virus, just the fact that you test positive. if you test positive you must then be 'cleansed' of the infection before you are allowed to go in with those who are not infected/heaven.
Quote:Every sin I, and likely you, ever made, has been forgiven.
 
yes there is a cure for every sin. but to have access to it God asks that you first respect the one who provided this gift to you.
Quote:For god to condemn me, and most of you, would be unjust.
 
only to the unjust. for me who have been cured it would be unjust that God allowed the infected to comingle with the uninfected.
Quote:I am innocent. Are you?
 
Regards
DL
innocents has nothing to do with infection .
you are infected who cares why. bottom line is your infection will consume you and those around you if not treated.

Deflect so as to ignore the topic. More of your Christian hipocracy and lies. 

I do agree that your god is like a virus.

He belongs in virus hell.

Strange that your faith is so slight that you would restrict how your god can punish, or not.

Regards
DL
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#39
RE: Was the condemnation of man justified?
(January 8, 2021 at 4:43 pm)Angrboda Wrote:
(January 8, 2021 at 3:46 pm)Drich Wrote: can you demonstrate this so called 'fan fiction' derived from my views of Christianity or are we to take a self admitted nonbelievers word on what is and is not doctrine? if you cant believe then how is it are to understand? and if you do not understand what is and is not God then how are you supposed to know what is and what is not doctrine? yours is an ad hom /kill the messenger rather than address the message, message.

I don't have to be a grape to judge the wine.  And I've corrected you on doctrine multiple times.  You're simply another delusional idiot.

but like with the bible, you do have to taste the wine to judge it.. in turn how foolish is it to judge something like the bible based on nothing more than popular opinion when you have little to no experience with it your self? IE judge wine never have tasted wine before.
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#40
RE: Was the condemnation of man justified?
(January 12, 2021 at 2:32 pm)Drich Wrote:
(January 8, 2021 at 4:43 pm)Angrboda Wrote: I don't have to be a grape to judge the wine.  And I've corrected you on doctrine multiple times.  You're simply another delusional idiot.

but like with the bible, you do have to taste the wine to judge it.. in turn how foolish is it to judge something like the bible based on nothing more than popular opinion when you have little to no experience with it your self? IE judge wine never have tasted wine before.

I agree. However, since that doesn't describe my situation, it's nothing more than irrelevant ass twaddle.
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