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Was the condemnation of man justified?
#51
RE: Was the condemnation of man justified?
ITT I Lol at people arguing about who understands the will of their imaginary friend the best!
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#52
RE: Was the condemnation of man justified?
(January 15, 2021 at 11:40 pm)Angrboda Wrote:
(January 15, 2021 at 1:04 pm)Drich Wrote: if you are to judge something, then yes you have to have knowledge/experience of it. otherwise it is you who is proven to be talking out her ass.

Yeah, we started talking about doctrine, and now you've worked around to claiming that if I don't know your heretical beliefs from the inside, then I'm wrong about that.  All you've shown is that you can't follow the point and end up saying stupid things like this.  Your beliefs don't define doctrine, so whether I do or do not have experience with your experience means dick.  I know doctrine and I know heresy when I hear it, as I've shown multiple times.  All you know how to do is spew ignorant nonsense.

Point in fact, this was what you asked:
(January 8, 2021 at 3:46 pm)Drich Wrote: are we to take a self admitted nonbelievers word on what is and is not doctrine?

The wine in this case is DOCTRINE.  Your personal experiences mean fuckall here.  The only person talking out of their ass here is you.

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here's the thing.. if blaspheme of the holy spirit is the only unforgivable thing... then is heresy even a biblical/New testament thing? or is it just a tool for people to dismiss what they do not want to believe about god? again what if i can show you where two of the biggest church fathers have a doctrinal falling out, and yet one not accuse the other of heresy but rather having a 'less than complete' understanding of the teachings of Christ. that before God both forms of worship were excepted? what if i can then show you each church each epistle written to each individual church like the letters to Corinth Rome Galicia to timothy even to theophlous (the book of acts) contain different doctrinal rules based not on one set of commands but individual and societal norms and limitations?

the reason why there are so many different forms of legit Christianity is because we have but two rules given to us by Christ to follow. the rest are simply based on our understanding and ability to work with in those two rules.

(January 16, 2021 at 5:34 am)RozzerusUnrelentus Wrote:
(January 15, 2021 at 1:04 pm)Drich Wrote: if you are to judge something, then yes you have to have knowledge/experience of it... <snip>...</snip>

This sort of comment always make me laugh. Apply what you say to Asian grooming gangs, paedophilia, reckless driving et. al.
i say you have no idea what is being discussed here. you made a list of law. we go not get to challenge law based on experience. rather if we wish to live in this soceity we must obey these laws. My statement was based on how douche bags judge experiences not requirement to live in a society) without any knowledge or experience in what they judge. it's like you saying i hate korean BBQ, having never had it or know anything about it rather base your hate on what your peers have to say about the subject. do you see how personal judgement based on what your peers think differs from breaking laws?
Quote:Is it really so that a valid value judgement cannot be applied without knowledge/experience of the above, for example (particularly the experience?)
says someone with a closed mind.
an open minded person would not dare to judge an experience or someone without some knowledge of the experience.

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I'm not over-awed by free-verse poetry: it's a bit like kids throwing paint at a wall and claiming it's art. I haven't read much, and tried to write even less. How do you quantify/qualify knowledge and experience to know when crap is crap? Who said? How far do you go? Is your judgement better than that of others?
we are not talking about setting empirical standards or establishing absolute truths. do schools no long teach opinion? that is all that is being discussed here. drawing a person conclusion based on some sort of knowledge or experience you have personally.
Quote:You've justified the bible to yourself: others have studied and can't justify it. And still others have had a sniff and determined the obvious.
I read the bible and found God. others have not yet assume there is nothing to find. thats the foolish bit i am speaking of. you claim to know, but you have no idea personally because most of you have simply not put in the effort but rather rely on people smarter than yourselves to give you reason for unbelief. for most of you that is all that is needed.
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#53
RE: Was the condemnation of man justified?
(January 18, 2021 at 2:23 pm)Drich Wrote: I read the bible and found God. others have not yet assume there is nothing to find. thats the foolish bit i am speaking of. you claim to know, but you have no idea personally because most of you have simply not put in the effort but rather rely on people smarter than yourselves to give you reason for unbelief. for most of you that is all that is needed.

You assume too much. There are plenty that have for years expended enormous effort in bible study and a whole-hearted desire to understand and form a relationship with 'God.' Sometimes it may have taken a while, but the end result was not to be held in thrall to the mystic by finding the whole issue wanting.

And you patronise those who do prefer logic, reason, and rationality with: ...most of you have simply not put in the effort but rather rely on people smarter than yourselves to give you reason for unbelief...

You have absolutely no idea what effort 'most' have put in.

I find your crass argument wanting.
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#54
RE: Was the condemnation of man justified?
To be fair, I've never put in the effort to 'find God', because it was never particularly important to me. I've also never put in the effort to learn to ride a unicycle, learn Finnish, or become a ventriloquist.

Priorities.

Boru
‘Let me never fall into the vulgar mistake of dreaming that I am persecuted whenever I am contradicted.’ Ralph Waldo Emerson
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#55
RE: Was the condemnation of man justified?
(January 18, 2021 at 2:23 pm)Drich Wrote: I read the bible and found God.

Who is more likely to use mass murder as justice?

Satan or Yahweh?

Who is shown as using genocide?

A good god would cure and not kill. 

What does yours do if not kill when he could just as easily cure?

Regards
DL
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