BREAKING:Italy charges Egyptian security agency officials over murder of Giulio R.

[arewethereyet]

Every thread you start, no matter how it starts, ends up with the evil west. It's how you spam/troll this forum every goddamn day.

[WinterHold]

Every thread you start, no matter how it starts, ends up with the evil west.   It's how you spam/troll this forum every goddamn day.

I'm reading the news here, what can I do if the western politics are stinky ?
Look arewethereyet, supporting dictators and letting them roam freely produces people like me who just keep reading the shameful policies.

So who is spamming the forum? me, or the western deeds?

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Giulio deserves me fighting for his name, I mean he was tortured by the same assholes who torture me.

[arewethereyet]

Every thread you start, no matter how it starts, ends up with the evil west.   It's how you spam/troll this forum every goddamn day.

I'm reading the news here, what can I do if the western politics are stinky ?
Look arewethereyet, supporting dictators and letting them roam freely produces people like me who just keep reading the shameful policies.

So who is spamming the forum? me, or the western deeds?

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Giulio deserves me fighting for his name, I mean he was tortured by the same assholes who torture me.

Look, whoeverthehellyouthinkyouare, you are trashing up the forum and have been allowed to for far too long.

[WinterHold]

I'm reading the news here, what can I do if the western politics are stinky ?
Look arewethereyet, supporting dictators and letting them roam freely produces people like me who just keep reading the shameful policies.

So who is spamming the forum? me, or the western deeds?

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Giulio deserves me fighting for his name, I mean he was tortured by the same assholes who torture me.

Look, whoeverthehellyouthinkyouare, you are trashing up the forum and have been allowed to for far too long.

No you listen to me.
I've been here since 2013 and I treat this place like my second home. Nothing in the rules prevent me from exposing Arab dictators and the international silence towards their crimes.

Giulio's case is on international media; and I transferred what the international media said about that case.
The case have been open since 2013, I constantly wrote against the Arab dictators and their western allies since that time, and I don't intend to stop.

Here is a song for you to relax:





What a female Ostrich.

[arewethereyet]

Oh...that hurts.

I also joined in 2013...now what?

Can't compare dick sizes.

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

Only if you get enough people to go along with you on the sanctions.  Let's say the US were to sanction Egypt for...well...being Egypt (as good a reason as any). This means Egypt loses trade money, but it also opens up another market (China, for example) to take up the slack.

But as long as Egypt remains a profitable market for the EU, you can forget about anything meaningful in the way of diplomatic or economic reprisals.

Boru

Egypt's economy is based on tourism, if the western countries departed from the relations with it Egypt's economy will suffer greatly.

What about the American support for the Egyptian army? that can stop too; along with any European support for the army.

China and  Russia are the west's scapegoat to flirt with dictators and third world warlords. Egypt\s army get free support and weapons from the west; its whole military arsenal is western, they can't switch to Russian and Chinese tools overnight. The sanctions will cripple their regime.

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Nations have to exist in reality, Winter..and in reality, nation a is not in control of what nation b does, but still has to maintain those relationships which are of interest to the state.  

Sanctions, at least as we've tended to use them and as how most of us conceive of them, were probably never a particularly good idea.  The people and not the bad actors pay for those sanctions (and this might be why rulers like sanctions so much...just food for thought).  Direct action against the bad actors themselves is a more lucid strategy..but this, ofc, is "regime change".....so...you know, pretty sure you're not on board with anything that might ever help anyone.

I do think that I have a way to help you understand this by exploiting your own peculiarities.  Imagine someone applying sanctions or regime change to the US.  Not the fantasy of it, the nuts and bolts of the reality.  See the difficulty?

I will answer to your argument with an example: Iran.
Look what American sanctions did to Iran; it shrank its role hugely and ended and left them isolated and crippled.

Egypt will fall if sanctions are imposed, all I understand is that the west has no morals; actually if their interest is inside an animal\s anus they will fist the animal without any problems. They don't care about civilian deaths in Egypt (and it started to reach their own citizens there now). Do you think that kind of political agenda is worthy of respect?

Sure, sanctions against Egypt’s tourism industry could work - IF you could convince most of the countries in the Americas, Europe, Western Asia and Saharan African to ban their people from going to have a butcher’s at the pyramids. Short of that, it’s not going to happen. In addition, you’d be punishing the people who have nothing to do with Egypt’s admittedly rotten record on human rights.

The Iran sanctions are a good comparison, but not in the way you probably think. A nuclear Iran was a imminent danger to the Middle East and - by extension - the rest of the world. Most countries couldn’t WAIT to sanction Iran (even then, there were a lot of holes that never got plugged). The Egyptian savagery towards dissidents and inconvenient foreigners doesn’t begin to approach that same level of threat.

Boru

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

Look, whoeverthehellyouthinkyouare, you are trashing up the forum and have been allowed to for far too long.

No you listen to me.
I've been here since 2013 and I treat this place like my second home. Nothing in the rules prevent me from exposing Arab dictators and the international silence towards their crimes.

Giulio's case is on international media; and I transferred what the international media said about that case.
The case have been open since 2013, I constantly wrote against the Arab dictators and their western allies since that time, and I don't intend to stop.

Here is a song for you to relax:





What a female Ostrich.

You treat this place like your second home? I guess you never heard the expression ‘Don’t shit where you eat’.

Boru

[WinterHold]

Oh...that hurts.

I also joined in 2013...now what?  

Can't compare dick sizes.

I was stating a fact !
And where were you in the last years?? struggling to take your head out of the sand and see what the blind politics and double standards took human societies to ?

You kept watching shit hitting the fan until it actually hit the fan in 2016 with the advent of populism to the west, but you keep defending it.
You kept watching as wars, murder and butchery grow until it became a standard nowadays.

You done nothing, not even supporting the side that wants peace.

Actually you're not a female Ostrich; you're a windmill warrior: fighting windmills and mirages thinking it's the real enemy.

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Egypt's economy is based on tourism, if the western countries departed from the relations with it Egypt's economy will suffer greatly.

What about the American support for the Egyptian army? that can stop too; along with any European support for the army.

China and  Russia are the west's scapegoat to flirt with dictators and third world warlords. Egypt\s army get free support and weapons from the west; its whole military arsenal is western, they can't switch to Russian and Chinese tools overnight. The sanctions will cripple their regime.

---

I will answer to your argument with an example: Iran.
Look what American sanctions did to Iran; it shrank its role hugely and ended and left them isolated and crippled.

Egypt will fall if sanctions are imposed, all I understand is that the west has no morals; actually if their interest is inside an animal\s anus they will fist the animal without any problems. They don't care about civilian deaths in Egypt (and it started to reach their own citizens there now). Do you think that kind of political agenda is worthy of respect?

Sure, sanctions against Egypt’s tourism industry could work - IF you could convince most of the countries in the Americas, Europe, Western Asia and Saharan African to ban their people from going to have a butcher’s at the pyramids. Short of that, it’s not going to happen. In addition, you’d be punishing the people who have nothing to do with Egypt’s admittedly rotten record on human rights.

The Iran sanctions are a good comparison, but not in the way you probably think. A nuclear Iran was a imminent danger to the Middle East and - by extension - the rest of the world. Most countries couldn’t WAIT to sanction Iran (even then, there were a lot of holes that never got plugged). The Egyptian savagery towards dissidents and inconvenient foreigners doesn’t begin to approach that same level of threat.

Boru

What about MBS and the UAE ? or you just said that the western support for these demons is not the cause of Yemen's misery ?

Iran is a terrorist regime, but the Sauds are worse and the whole world saw their butchery. But the west seems to support them !

Iran is another scapegoat you claim fighting; if the west was serious it would fight the evil Arabs before Iran because they are far more bloodthirsty.

Both are shit though. Just like those who support them.

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No you listen to me.
I've been here since 2013 and I treat this place like my second home. Nothing in the rules prevent me from exposing Arab dictators and the international silence towards their crimes.

Giulio's case is on international media; and I transferred what the international media said about that case.
The case have been open since 2013, I constantly wrote against the Arab dictators and their western allies since that time, and I don't intend to stop.

Here is a song for you to relax:





What a female Ostrich.

You treat this place like your second home? I guess you never heard the expression ‘Don’t shit where you eat’.

Boru

Do you see those two men?
Exactly..keep looking at them.

Egypt didn't kill Giulio alone. It killed him because its regime knew that it will cheat any trial.

[Fake Messiah]

What a female Ostrich.

No, WinterHold, you are the ostrich if you think that you are uncovering Egyptian regime to us, because we've been talking about it for years, but since you have your head buried in the sand you haven't noticed it.

Here's one of the recent news from "damned Muslims thread"

Egypt cracks down on blasphemy in wave of arrests

The recent arrests of both Christians and Muslims accused of insulting Islam have renewed calls from rights groups to end prosecution for blasphemy in Egypt

Now, the solutions could be sanctions or military intervention like in Afghanistan and Iraq, but the best and least hurtful would be if people just left Islam. Islam is a failure and almost every Muslim country is breaking basic human rights heavily.

And maybe there are some hopes of an atheist movement going on there, people in Islamic countries are reading counterfeit Dawkins books, they are questioning Islam, burning their hijabs...

[Deesse23]

Funny winter mentioned iran

You know want recently happened there? A blogger got executed because he criticized some mullahs. Did we get a "breaking" thread? No!

I wonder why..... Well, not really, as most of you don't wonder either, do you?