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All Politicians Lie
#1
All Politicians Lie
Even Joe -

Quote from his acceptance speech -


"That's the job of a president. To represent all of us, not just our base or our party." 

Really? Including the white supremicists? No? Ok..

What about the far right of the Republican party? No? Ok..  Not them either.

What about NRA members?  Uh uh? Ok.. I guess that's too much to ask...

What about Communists? I assume there is some of those still running around. Is Joe going to support Communists? 

What about all those nice Christian folks that need their rights to discriminate against gays, atheists and other assorted misfits? Ol' Joe going to stand by them too?

....

Simple fact - you CAN'T represent everyone...

You can just say you do - even though it isn't true?

Isn't that called "lying"?
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#2
RE: All Politicians Lie
'Represent' doesn't mean 'support'. The groups you mentioned are not answerable to the president, he is answerable to them.

That's what 'represent' means.  It means you don't play favourites. It means you protect the rights of white supremacists, of far-right Republicans, of NRA members, of communists and of bigoted Christians in precisely the same way and to the same extent you protect the rights of your base.

I feel like I shouldn't have to explain this.

Boru
‘Let me never fall into the vulgar mistake of dreaming that I am persecuted whenever I am contradicted.’ Ralph Waldo Emerson
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#3
RE: All Politicians Lie
(January 9, 2021 at 11:51 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: 'Represent' doesn't mean 'support'. The groups you mentioned are not answerable to the president, he is answerable to them.

That's what 'represent' means.  It means you don't play favourites. It means you protect the rights of white supremacists, of far-right Republicans, of NRA members, of communists and of bigoted Christians in precisely the same way you protect the rights of your base.

I feel like I shouldn't have to explain this.

Boru

Nice try.

But you are wrong.


Let's talk about abortion.

Either it is legal, or it isn't. There's no halfway. Like pregnancy.

Joe has to pick one side or the other.

Somebody is not going to be represented.
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#4
RE: All Politicians Lie
(January 9, 2021 at 11:57 am)onlinebiker Wrote:
(January 9, 2021 at 11:51 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: 'Represent' doesn't mean 'support'. The groups you mentioned are not answerable to the president, he is answerable to them.

That's what 'represent' means.  It means you don't play favourites. It means you protect the rights of white supremacists, of far-right Republicans, of NRA members, of communists and of bigoted Christians in precisely the same way you protect the rights of your base.

I feel like I shouldn't have to explain this.

Boru

Nice try.

But you are wrong.


Let's talk about abortion.

Either it is legal, or it isn't. There's no halfway. Like pregnancy.

Joe has to pick one side or the other.

Somebody is not going to be represented.

Of course both sides can be represented. Being represented doesn't mean having things all your own way.

Boru
‘Let me never fall into the vulgar mistake of dreaming that I am persecuted whenever I am contradicted.’ Ralph Waldo Emerson
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#5
RE: All Politicians Lie
The nuts are well represented in abortion law, anyway....I can't imagine how the specifics of this issue could support the point that OLB is trying to make.
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#6
RE: All Politicians Lie
(January 9, 2021 at 11:59 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:
(January 9, 2021 at 11:57 am)onlinebiker Wrote: Nice try.

But you are wrong.


Let's talk about abortion.

Either it is legal, or it isn't. There's no halfway. Like pregnancy.

Joe has to pick one side or the other.

Somebody is not going to be represented.

Of course both sides can be represented. Being represented doesn't mean having things all your own way.

Boru

I guess that explains why the prisons are full.


The defense lawyer represents both sides....


....

Dodgy
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#7
RE: All Politicians Lie
Do you believe that there is a lack of deference to wingnut perspectives with respect to the laws governing abortion in the united states?
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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#8
RE: All Politicians Lie
(January 9, 2021 at 11:46 am)onlinebiker Wrote: Even Joe -

Quote from his acceptance speech -


"That's the job of a president. To represent all of us, not just our base or our party." 

Really? Including the white supremicists? No? Ok..

What about the far right of the Republican party? No? Ok..  Not them either.

What about NRA members?  Uh uh? Ok.. I guess that's too much to ask...

What about Communists? I assume there is some of those still running around. Is Joe going to support Communists? 

What about all those nice Christian folks that need their rights to discriminate against gays, atheists and other assorted misfits? Ol' Joe going to stand by them too?

....

Simple fact - you CAN'T represent everyone...

You can just say you do - even though it isn't true?

Isn't that called "lying"?

Fallacy of equivocation.

Some lies are flat out dangerous. Now sorry, I think Reagan, outside his bad economic policies had good intent. I believe him when he said he wanted to be a uniter. I aslo believe Biden and Obama when they said the same. I agreed with the first gulf war because Saddam was the aggressor, and while I did not vote for Bush Sr, I supported him then. 

A politician saying what they think will get them the most votes is always going to be part of politics. But there are dangerous lies that go way beyond normal politics. 

No other president in my lifetime has ever consistently on a daily basis lit match after match after match like Trump has. 

Mitt paid for his 47% comment and lost. McCain lost for sticking up for Obama. Hillary lost because she made that "deplorable" comment. 

But all of them conceded their losses to preserve the peaceful transfer of power. 

It is true no politician can give 100% of everything to everyone all the time. But this is our system, and it will never be a utopia. Using the language of unity is to calm divisions, not to create a utopia. 

"Someone is always going to be pissed if they feel left out." 

Yea and? We still as a pluralistic society need to avoid what happened Wednesday.
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#9
RE: All Politicians Lie
Arrow's Impossibility Theorem comes to mind...
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#10
RE: All Politicians Lie
At work.

Fek me.

Is this the whiny sheet we're going to get for the next few years?

Should have known Sir Appleby's words would come back to haunt us.

"In victory, revenge. In defeat, malice."

You do you OLB.

Coffee
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