The ridiculous story of the temptation of Jesus

[Drich]

if there was no Christ.. i'd say you were right. Christ himself is afront to the idea that the jewish narritive is complete.

Sounds like I'm right, then.  Glad that's settled.

roman hell is in the after life where a god torments the evil souls of men. the bible version of Hell there is no God and satan himself is slated to burn forever in torment.

Like any of the minor gods and demi-gods also stuck in hades or tartarus, you mean?

people who think as you do who have simplied heaven as a reward and hell as eternal punishment ruled by an ultimate tormentor.  Heaven is service to God in an effort to become family much like how a slave would join a wealth family to later be considered a son. hell is torment for Satan and destruction for everyone else.

What do you think warriors and heroes do in elysium?  They continue to serve and become, very literally, members of the divine family.  Sons of Jupiter and Mars.

the only self serving loon site will be found in the hearts of those who elect hell over service to God in heaven.

Stop laughing at me or my god will hurt you! 

I know that researching greco-roman religion is simply beyond you, but have you ever given any thought toresearching on your own..or..competent apologetics, at least?

i gave several points specific points in how hell hades were different like wise with heaven and Elysium.. you intentionally blew past that to create a completely new strawman argument and attacked that... do you not even see you own intellectual dishonesty anymore? you attacked my argument if i had said that there are no similarities. when i clearly said they were not the same and gave examples how they were not the same.

[The Grand Nudger]

You described your thematically christian misunderstandings, sure. The deck was stacked though. Greco roman ideas about heaven and hell sound like your silly ass heaven and hell because that's precisely where hellenized jews got those ideas about heaven and hell from.

They're the same places - the disagreement between christians and pagans wasn't over the nature of each respective venue - it was over who's name was on the deed.

[Redstar]

At work.

  So, firstly, hello Redstar.  

Now a clarifying question.

The X-tian deity (The 'Father' bit... and maybe the 'Spirit' bit as well) are attributed with being 'Omnipotent' (You can add/expand on having the other two 'Omni's' as well if you want)

  The question is. Did the supposed 'Jesus' aspect have access to even a part of said 'Omni' power?

If Jesus did then Satan can't tempt him. The whole idea is just silly. Why temp some one who, even if they don't know everything  they are definitely positively with out a doubt certain (The whole 'Aspect of god' thing) that there is that 'Omni' thing out there that they are a part of.

 Now, if Jesus could be tempted. (For the whole tale to make any sense) then does that mean that Jesus didn't have that 'Divine connection?

 Things to think upon.

 Cheers.

Hi Peebo-Thuhlu,

Sorry for the delay replying to you, I didn't manage to visit again until now!

Re your query above:

Satan is attacking the human part of Jesus Christ, Who is True God and True Man.  He has a Divine nature and a human nature.

Omnipotence is an aspect of His Divine nature, not His human nature.  You are right it would be folly to attempt to corrupt the Divine, but (as we know) human nature is fragile and prone to failing.

In the narrative of His life, we do read of Christ at times displaying human emotion which hints at the fragility of human nature: 

He loses his temper when He encounters the merchants etc  using a temple as a market place, indeed He is even violent towards them as He drove them out.


He is described as marvelling at the strength of the faith of the Roman Centurion He encounters, when the Centurion seeks Him out to ask for help.

In the Garden of Gethsemane, we read of His frustration with his companions and also His fear at the death He knows will soon befall Him.

These things show His human nature was, of course, just like yours or mine - and it was this Satan was attacking, just as he does with everyones human nature.

Cheers.

[Peebothuhlu]

At work.

  So, firstly, hello Redstar.  

Now a clarifying question.

The X-tian deity (The 'Father' bit... and maybe the 'Spirit' bit as well) are attributed with being 'Omnipotent' (You can add/expand on having the other two 'Omni's' as well if you want)

  The question is. Did the supposed 'Jesus' aspect have access to even a part of said 'Omni' power?

If Jesus did then Satan can't tempt him. The whole idea is just silly. Why temp some one who, even if they don't know everything  they are definitely positively with out a doubt certain (The whole 'Aspect of god' thing) that there is that 'Omni' thing out there that they are a part of.

 Now, if Jesus could be tempted. (For the whole tale to make any sense) then does that mean that Jesus didn't have that 'Divine connection?

 Things to think upon.

 Cheers.

Hi Peebo-Thuhlu,

Sorry for the delay replying to you, I didn't manage to visit again until now!

Re your query above:

Satan is attacking the human part of Jesus Christ, Who is True God and True Man.  He has a Divine nature and a human nature.

Omnipotence is an aspect of His Divine nature, not His human nature.  You are right it would be folly to attempt to corrupt the Divine, but (as we know) human nature is fragile and prone to failing.

In the narrative of His life, we do read of Christ at times displaying human emotion which hints at the fragility of human nature: 

He loses his temper when He encounters the merchants etc  using a temple as a market place, indeed He is even violent towards them as He drove them out.


He is described as marvelling at the strength of the faith of the Roman Centurion He encounters, when the Centurion seeks Him out to ask for help.

In the Garden of Gethsemane, we read of His frustration with his companions and also His fear at the death He knows will soon befall Him.

These things show His human nature was, of course, just like yours or mine - and it was this Satan was attacking, just as he does with everyones human nature.

Cheers.

So.... Satan is an idiot, then?

They are trying to tempt something that's 'Untemptable'.


The problem is if Jesus can be tempted even if connected to 'The divine' then it's kind of damming (Sort of a poor/bad play on words) about the supposed 'Power' of said divine.

Again, no matter what buttons Satan is attemping to push, the very aspect of the endeavor makes the whole proposition questionable/weird/strange.

Cheers.

[GUBU]

At work.

  So, firstly, hello Redstar.  

Now a clarifying question.

The X-tian deity (The 'Father' bit... and maybe the 'Spirit' bit as well) are attributed with being 'Omnipotent' (You can add/expand on having the other two 'Omni's' as well if you want)

  The question is. Did the supposed 'Jesus' aspect have access to even a part of said 'Omni' power?

If Jesus did then Satan can't tempt him. The whole idea is just silly. Why temp some one who, even if they don't know everything  they are definitely positively with out a doubt certain (The whole 'Aspect of god' thing) that there is that 'Omni' thing out there that they are a part of.

 Now, if Jesus could be tempted. (For the whole tale to make any sense) then does that mean that Jesus didn't have that 'Divine connection?

 Things to think upon.

 Cheers.

Hi Peebo-Thuhlu,

Sorry for the delay replying to you, I didn't manage to visit again until now!

Re your query above:

Satan is attacking the human part of Jesus Christ, Who is True God and True Man.  He has a Divine nature and a human nature.

Omnipotence is an aspect of His Divine nature, not His human nature.  You are right it would be folly to attempt to corrupt the Divine, but (as we know) human nature is fragile and prone to failing.

In the narrative of His life, we do read of Christ at times displaying human emotion which hints at the fragility of human nature: 

He loses his temper when He encounters the merchants etc  using a temple as a market place, indeed He is even violent towards them as He drove them out.


He is described as marvelling at the strength of the faith of the Roman Centurion He encounters, when the Centurion seeks Him out to ask for help.

In the Garden of Gethsemane, we read of His frustration with his companions and also His fear at the death He knows will soon befall Him.

These things show His human nature was, of course, just like yours or mine - and it was this Satan was attacking, just as he does with everyones human nature.

Cheers.

Just out of curiosity, what makes you think that any of this nonsense has any historical veracity? What evidence have you in support of the alleged life of Yeshua bar Yosef?