The Watchmaker: my fav argument

[Foxaèr]

I edit my posts as often as it takes to communicate my thoughts effectively and precisely. I'm aware that might not be a concern you share lol.

I edit my posts regularly. Usually to add more content. I have seen Nudger do the same, having had to go back and read the extra content he edited into his post.

[arewethereyet]

I edit my posts as often as it takes to communicate my thoughts effectively and precisely. I'm aware that might not be a concern you share lol.

I edit my posts regularly. Usually to add more content. I have seen Nudger do the same, having had to go back and read the extra content he edited into his post.

This was an edit totally changing the tone of the post.

[Apollo]

If you divid the whole space of universe into big chunks the size of our solar system and imagine you are at one of those chunks looking up at the sky—the sky will appear pitch black.

The nearest star at that point would be so far away that if it would explode as a supernova (the brightness of a billion suns) and you were starting right at the point where it supposedly would be, and when its light would reach you, you would not see even a glimmer.

That’s what a typical place looks like in universe. Big cold with nothing happening.

If that’s some design then the designer flunked big time. We are more likely to be living in a discarded dustbin than anything well planned.

[The Architect Of Fate]

So there can't be interruptions as everyone is permitted to speak whenever they want. Thus the rules of etiquette on interruptions don't apply here. Oh and you can be interrupted in private. If I yell through your window while you're talking to someone and you get distracted. I have interrupted you.

Hmm that's a good point lol. But Deborah Tannen has a book on discourse in which she studies the conversational styles of men and women (how men interrupt women specifically).

She argues that an interruption requires two things: For one person to start speaking, and the other person to stop. Therefore, if Nudger starts talking and others stop, an interruption has occurred.

I don't agree I think interruption can also be to people talking at the same time ,And the fact one person chooses to end the conversation after another participant (in an open forum) chooses to converse instead is simply the conversation shifting participants within the thread.

[Belacqua]

If that’s some design then the designer flunked big time. 

How do you know what the designer intended?

[The Architect Of Fate]

How do you know what the designer intended?

Not needed

[Belacqua]

The universe is a certain way.
I would have designed it differently.
Therefore it wasn't designed.

I think that's a bad argument.

[Rahn127]

I observe the universe.
Using a naturalistic model of the universe, I can make accurate predictions about it's behavior and up to a certain point, it's origin.
I can observe the process of evolution.
Using a naturalistic model of evolution, I can make accurate predictions about how life has changed over the billions of years on this planet and up to a certain point it's origins.
Naturalistic models appear to be the most accurate explanation for the universe and life on this planet.

[Belacqua]

I observe the universe.
Using a naturalistic model of the universe, I can make accurate predictions about it's behavior and up to a certain point, it's origin.
I can observe the process of evolution.
Using a naturalistic model of evolution, I can make accurate predictions about how life has changed over the billions of years on this planet and up to a certain point it's origins.
Naturalistic models appear to be the most accurate explanation for the universe and life on this planet.

This is a better argument, and a completely different one, from the one I was mocking earlier.

[The Grand Nudger]

The universe is a certain way.
I would have designed it differently.
Therefore it wasn't designed.

I think that's a bad argument.

No more or less so than it's positive corollary.

The universe is a certain way
I would have designed it this way
Therefore it was designed.

We're either entertaining it, or we aren't.  If we are entertaining it as we are being asked to do, then ofc we can make equivalent claims upon equal footing. If, however, we shouldn't be entertaining this sort of proposition at all because bad argument, ID is bankrupt from the start.