Flat Earther, and other conspiracy theories. Are they mostly atheists?

[Gawdzilla Sama]

I would say our biochemistry is controlling us.
In fact, there is no us.
We are not separate from the chemicals/molecules/atoms that make us.
If you think you can exist without those chemicals, then please, throw them in the trash. What do you need those chemicals for?

You are essentially claiming that music can exist without any atoms, without any photons or any other particles.
Music can only exist on paper, CD, cassette tapes, VHS, vibrations in some medium. Without atoms, it can’t exist.
The same can be said about languages, color, names, software (Windows XP), mathematics, ideas, stories, fashion and other designs, anything that is information.

Where exactly did I make those "claims"?

And what are you babbling about?

["You are essentially" allowing me to make a strawman out of your statement.]

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

I flatter myself that I’m a reasonably bright fellow, but I can’t follow your maths. If I have five apples and five apples, I have ten apples, not 25 (and certainly not 625).

Could you please explain why meters can be expressed exponentially, but not apples, degrees Kelvin, grams or seconds?

Boru

Yes, you have 10 apples. What did I say that is different?
I also posted what the flat earther told me. Maybe you want to discuss the 25 and 625 with him.

For your question:
In the real world, a meter is a measure of distance. m^2 is a measure of area. m^3 is a measure of volume.
What's apples^2 in the real world?
What's kelvin^2 in the real world?
What's g^2 in the real world?
What's s^2 in the real world?

--Ferrocyanide

You said the answer to five apples and five apples is 25 apples squared. I don’t understand how you got there. Did Amazon Prime deliver more apples or something?

Apples squared is the original number of apples counted for each apple in the original set. So, if the original set contains five apples, you count five apples five times. Same for the rest.

Not for nothing, but in the equation g=9.81m/s^2, the ‘s’ stands for ‘seconds’.

Boru

[Irreligious Atheist]

So you think free will is a myth?  Who is controlling you?

I would say our biochemistry is controlling us.
In fact, there is no us.
We are not separate from the chemicals/molecules/atoms that make us.
If you think you can exist without those chemicals, then please, throw them in the trash. What do you need those chemicals for?

You are essentially claiming that music can exist without any atoms, without any photons or any other particles.
Music can only exist on paper, CD, cassette tapes, VHS, vibrations in some medium. Without atoms, it can’t exist.
The same can be said about languages, color, names, software (Windows XP), mathematics, ideas, stories, fashion and other designs, anything that is information.

She is not looking to be reasoned into a different position because this is an emotional issue for her rather than a logical one. She is holding onto this little bit of religious thinking because it provides her comfort. She made that clear when she told me to enjoy being controlled by something else. Like a theist who doesn't want to live in a world without a protective god, she doesn't want to live in a world where the self is just an illusion, and in turn free will is a fable. I admit, it can be scary sometimes knowing that whatever will be will be and "I" can't do anything to change what will be. That's reality though, and I care about what's true more than I care about what might provide a little comfort. Like Richard Dawkins says, we are merely survival machines. There is no ghost in the machine.

I'd like to know what her definition of free will is to know exactly what she means by it. Does she believe in a ghost in the machine? I've asked her to provide evidence, but clearly she can't do that because the evidence is not there to provide. All she has is a strong feeling, which is what religious people have.

I don't write any of this to put her down. She sounds like a very intelligent person. It is her lack of free will that is forcing her to believe in free will, and at one time or another most of us here have thought that we were experiencing some kind of free will. Children are generally not taught that free will is an illusion like we're taught about a round earth, and some scientists/ philosophers/ etc actually advise against telling children the truth of the matter.

I'm glad I know the truth of the matter because to me that means that hate becomes illogical. I don't hate liars or theives. I don't hate neo-Nazis. I don't hate ISIS fighters. I don't hate black identitarians who go to synagogues to murder Jews. Hating these people would be like hating a grizzly bear. I feel sympathy for all because we can't do other than what we do, and the universe will play out how it will.

[arewethereyet]

I would say our biochemistry is controlling us.
In fact, there is no us.
We are not separate from the chemicals/molecules/atoms that make us.
If you think you can exist without those chemicals, then please, throw them in the trash. What do you need those chemicals for?

You are essentially claiming that music can exist without any atoms, without any photons or any other particles.
Music can only exist on paper, CD, cassette tapes, VHS, vibrations in some medium. Without atoms, it can’t exist.
The same can be said about languages, color, names, software (Windows XP), mathematics, ideas, stories, fashion and other designs, anything that is information.

She is not looking to be reasoned into a different position because this is an emotional issue for her rather than a logical one. She is holding onto this little bit of religious thinking because it provides her comfort. She made that clear when she told me to enjoy being controlled by something else. Like a theist who doesn't want to live in a world without a protective god, she doesn't want to live in a world where the self is just an illusion, and in turn free will is a fable. I admit, it can be scary sometimes knowing that whatever will be will be and "I" can't do anything to change what will be. That's reality though, and I care about what's true more than I care about what might provide a little comfort. Like Richard Dawkins says, we are merely survival machines. There is no ghost in the machine.

I'd like to know what her definition of free will is to know exactly what she means by it. Does she believe in a ghost in the machine? I've asked her to provide evidence, but clearly she can't do that because the evidence is not there to provide. All she has is a strong feeling, which is what religious people have.

I don't write any of this to put her down. She sounds like a very intelligent person. It is her lack of free will that is forcing her to believe in free will, and at one time or another most of us here have thought that we were experiencing some kind of free will. Children are generally not taught that free will is an illusion like we're taught about a round earth, and some scientists/ philosophers/ etc actually advise against telling children the truth of the matter.

I'm glad I know the truth of the matter because to me that means that hate becomes illogical. I don't hate liars or theives. I don't hate neo-Nazis. I don't hate ISIS fighters. I don't hate black identitarians who go to synagogues to murder Jews. Hating these people would be like hating a grizzly bear. I feel sympathy for all because we can't do other than what we do, and the universe will play out how it will.

She thinks you are full of shit.

[Irreligious Atheist]

She is not looking to be reasoned into a different position because this is an emotional issue for her rather than a logical one. She is holding onto this little bit of religious thinking because it provides her comfort. She made that clear when she told me to enjoy being controlled by something else. Like a theist who doesn't want to live in a world without a protective god, she doesn't want to live in a world where the self is just an illusion, and in turn free will is a fable. I admit, it can be scary sometimes knowing that whatever will be will be and "I" can't do anything to change what will be. That's reality though, and I care about what's true more than I care about what might provide a little comfort. Like Richard Dawkins says, we are merely survival machines. There is no ghost in the machine.

I'd like to know what her definition of free will is to know exactly what she means by it. Does she believe in a ghost in the machine? I've asked her to provide evidence, but clearly she can't do that because the evidence is not there to provide. All she has is a strong feeling, which is what religious people have.

I don't write any of this to put her down. She sounds like a very intelligent person. It is her lack of free will that is forcing her to believe in free will, and at one time or another most of us here have thought that we were experiencing some kind of free will. Children are generally not taught that free will is an illusion like we're taught about a round earth, and some scientists/ philosophers/ etc actually advise against telling children the truth of the matter.

I'm glad I know the truth of the matter because to me that means that hate becomes illogical. I don't hate liars or theives. I don't hate neo-Nazis. I don't hate ISIS fighters. I don't hate black identitarians who go to synagogues to murder Jews. Hating these people would be like hating a grizzly bear. I feel sympathy for all because we can't do other than what we do, and the universe will play out how it will.

She thinks you are full of shit.

Because your lack of free will forced you to think that. I forgive you.

[Angrboda]

She thinks you are full of shit.

Because your lack of free will forced you to think that. I forgive you.

I knew you were gonna say that.

[Ravenshire]

What's s^2 in the real world?

An acceleration.

"G" (the gravitational constant, an acceleration) = 9.8 m/s^2 at sea level.

[polymath257]

I flatter myself that I’m a reasonably bright fellow, but I can’t follow your maths. If I have five apples and five apples, I have ten apples, not 25 (and certainly not 625).

Could you please explain why meters can be expressed exponentially, but not apples, degrees Kelvin, grams or seconds?

Boru

Yes, you have 10 apples. What did I say that is different?
I also posted what the flat earther told me. Maybe you want to discuss the 25 and 625 with him.

For your question:
In the real world, a meter is a measure of distance. m^2 is a measure of area. m^3 is a measure of volume.
What's apples^2 in the real world?
What's kelvin^2 in the real world?
What's g^2 in the real world?
What's s^2 in the real world?

--Ferrocyanide

Very seldom do we have reason to multiply bunches of apples, although I will give an example where it happens below. But, we *do* have reason to multiply meters and meters--it gives us an area. We can even multiply meters by meters by meters to get a volume.

Seconds (s) are frequently multiplied by seconds, although typically it is divided by seconds twice in a row. So, a meter divided by a second is a measure of velocity and dividing by seconds again gives an acceleration. Doing it again gives something called the jerk.

Densities are often measured in mass per volume, in other words kg/m^3. But, for example, the units of energy are kg*m /s^2.

It is less common to have to multiply by kelvins or to divide by them twice, but it does happen. For example, if you are interested in how something expands on heating, the appropriate units would be m^3/K. If you want to know how that coefficient of expansion changes as the temeprature changes, that would give something like m^3/K^2.

Another situation is where you want to talk about entropy, which has units of energy/kelvin, or kg*m/(s^2 K). But, if you want to know the rate at which the entropy changes with temperature, that would be kg*m/(s^2 K^2).

As for apples, if you want to know a price per apple, that would be something like dollars/apple. But, if you want to know how that price changes for more apples, that would be something like dollars/apples^2.

[Angrboda]

I prefer the dot product of apples. That horse is some good shit.

[Ferrocyanide]

Yes, you have 10 apples. What did I say that is different?
I also posted what the flat earther told me. Maybe you want to discuss the 25 and 625 with him.

For your question:
In the real world, a meter is a measure of distance. m^2 is a measure of area. m^3 is a measure of volume.
What's apples^2 in the real world?
What's kelvin^2 in the real world?
What's g^2 in the real world?
What's s^2 in the real world?

--Ferrocyanide

You said the answer to five apples and five apples is 25 apples squared. I don’t understand how you got there. Did Amazon Prime deliver more apples or something?

Apples squared is the original number of apples counted for each apple in the original set. So, if the original set contains five apples, you count five apples five times. Same for the rest.

Not for nothing, but in the equation g=9.81m/s^2, the ‘s’ stands for ‘seconds’.

Boru

I didn't. You didn't properly read. I had written that a flat earther made the claim that math can be adjusted to mean anything and he gave the example of 5 apples * 5 apples = 25 apples.
He was using that to shield himself from mathematical descriptions of reality.

As for your comment about g=9.81m/s^2, that's fine. That's a measure of acceleration. It exists in the real world.
Is it possible that you are one of these guys who thinks that m/s^2 and s^2 are the same thing?
If someone had written 5 s * 5 s = 25 s, then he doesn't understand dimensions.
First, the answer would be 25 s^2.
Second, what is a s^2? What are you measuring? To what does this correspond to in the real world?

--Ferrocyanide

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Yes, you have 10 apples. What did I say that is different?
I also posted what the flat earther told me. Maybe you want to discuss the 25 and 625 with him.

For your question:
In the real world, a meter is a measure of distance. m^2 is a measure of area. m^3 is a measure of volume.
What's apples^2 in the real world?
What's kelvin^2 in the real world?
What's g^2 in the real world?
What's s^2 in the real world?

--Ferrocyanide

Very seldom do we have reason to multiply bunches of apples, although I will give an example where it happens below. But, we *do* have reason to multiply meters and meters--it gives us an area. We can even multiply meters by meters by meters to get a volume.

Seconds (s) are frequently multiplied by seconds, although typically it is divided by seconds twice in a row. So, a meter divided by a second is a measure of velocity and dividing by seconds again gives an acceleration. Doing it again gives something called the jerk.

Densities are often measured in mass per volume, in other words kg/m^3. But, for example, the units of energy are kg*m /s^2.

It is less common to have to multiply by kelvins or to divide by them twice, but it does happen. For example, if you are interested in how something expands on heating, the appropriate units would be m^3/K. If you want to know how that coefficient of expansion changes as the temeprature changes, that would give something like m^3/K^2.

Another situation is where you want to talk about entropy, which has units of energy/kelvin, or kg*m/(s^2 K). But, if you want to know the rate at which the entropy changes with temperature, that would be kg*m/(s^2 K^2).

As for apples, if you want to know a price per apple, that would be something like dollars/apple. But, if you want to know how that price changes for more apples, that would be something like dollars/apples^2.

Yes, acceleration, expressed as m/s^2 corresponds to something in our reality. However, s^2 doesn't correspond to anything.
What would it mean if I do 1/(9.81546 m/s^2 / 23.5 m) = 2.39418223904 s^2

--Ferrocyanide

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She is not looking to be reasoned into a different position because this is an emotional issue for her rather than a logical one. She is holding onto this little bit of religious thinking because it provides her comfort. She made that clear when she told me to enjoy being controlled by something else. Like a theist who doesn't want to live in a world without a protective god, she doesn't want to live in a world where the self is just an illusion, and in turn free will is a fable. I admit, it can be scary sometimes knowing that whatever will be will be and "I" can't do anything to change what will be. That's reality though, and I care about what's true more than I care about what might provide a little comfort. Like Richard Dawkins says, we are merely survival machines. There is no ghost in the machine.

I'd like to know what her definition of free will is to know exactly what she means by it. Does she believe in a ghost in the machine? I've asked her to provide evidence, but clearly she can't do that because the evidence is not there to provide. All she has is a strong feeling, which is what religious people have.

I don't write any of this to put her down. She sounds like a very intelligent person. It is her lack of free will that is forcing her to believe in free will, and at one time or another most of us here have thought that we were experiencing some kind of free will. Children are generally not taught that free will is an illusion like we're taught about a round earth, and some scientists/ philosophers/ etc actually advise against telling children the truth of the matter.

I'm glad I know the truth of the matter because to me that means that hate becomes illogical. I don't hate liars or theives. I don't hate neo-Nazis. I don't hate ISIS fighters. I don't hate black identitarians who go to synagogues to murder Jews. Hating these people would be like hating a grizzly bear. I feel sympathy for all because we can't do other than what we do, and the universe will play out how it will.

It's a tough world to live in. Emotions are a great tool that helped our ancestors survive. Then, when you develop sufficient intelligence you understand that for billions of years, you did not exist. That you will die soon and for billions of years, it's back to the scrap heap. It causes emotional problems. It causes dissatisfaction.
Religion/churches are the hospitals that try to fix these people's emotional problems.
It doesn't matter if you are an atheist or theist. It is highly likely that you will be dissatisfied with reality and you'll try to find a remedy to reduce your dissatisfaction with reality. Maybe you'll take some philosophical route. Maybe you'll become a researcher and try to extend your life. Maybe you will freeze your body.

--Ferrocyanide