Chauvin Murder Trial

[Jackie]

Nobody in this thread has ever claimed white people never die by the hands of police. But there is a huge ratio disparity as to risk of death when interacting with police. Once as a teen I had a full size replica toy cap gun, no re noses required at the time back in the 80s. Cops were called  because someone thought I was firing a real gun. Cop jumped out of his car pointed his gun at me, BUT waited for me to explain it was a toy and didn't shoot me. Another time in my early 20s I got pulled over for speeding, made the mistake of mouthing off, but made it to the police station alive and released unharmed. The disorderly was dropped, but I still had to pay the traffic ticket. They didn't even pull a gun on me during that. 

Sandra Bland however, died in police custody over a minor traffic pull over she confronted the cop verbally and got arrested for it. Just this weekend a black Lt military EMT was pulled over for an improper mounting of his temorary tag. That Lt was smart in putting his hands out of the window. He shouldn't have had to though considering it was not a fellony stop. Point is, that Lt would have been more likely to be shot than I would have under similar circumstances.

So when you say whites get roughed up, and or shot sometimes, it is still nowhere near the rate blacks have to worry about.

Blacks and whites actually get killed by police at a very similar rate compared to interactions with police. All those extra interactions cause bullshit like them being way more likely than whites to go to jail for drug possession while the races use at a similar rate, but at the same time, poor black areas are obviously policed more because that's where the gang activity is.

You bring up Tamir Rice. The sad thing about that is that there actually are 12 year old kids walking around with real guns, in gangs. That's the screwed up reality. Instead of literal reparations (although UBI may not be such a bad idea, for all races though obviously) where the money will be wasted and you'll be right back in the same situation, poor black people need useful reparations like major investment in the community and schools so 12 year olds hopefully aren't walking around with guns.

I know very well how cops can be pricks. When I was 12, a cop threatened to arrest me if I didn't snitch and tell him about a fight I had witnessed. I said go ahead and do it. No snitching. There is no evidence of any racism in what happened to George Floyd. You and the media are just making that connection because you want it to be true. You don't know it to be true. If it was another white guy killed or mentally challenged guy killed, you wouldn't be calling it Antebellum bullshit, and we can't specifically say that race had anything to do with Floyd dying, or for that matter we can't say that racism would have anything to do with Derek Chauvin being found not guilty. There are black people on the jury. Dude took a bunch of drugs. When you do that and you end up dying by a not as obvious means as a gunshot, you're not going to necessarily get the benefit of the doubt. Beyond reasonable doubt is a high standard to clear.

BULLSHIT. 

There is no "same rate". There is only your false perception of a "same rate".

[brewer]

[*Deidre*]

Today’s final use of force expert witness really makes me wonder if Chauvin will get murder. Probably third degree. I had thought for a while that manslaughter was appropriate, but third degree unintentional murder seems like a possible outcome. He walked through each clip and you get to the clip where Chauvin is telling a fellow officer “no, he’s staying like this,” when asked if they should reposition him onto his side. Another officer telling him towards the end, that Floyd had no pulse.

To me, that’s game over. Defense is doing its job trying to pick it apart but those videos are what they are. A reasonable officer wouldn’t have caused or let a suspect die.

[Irreligious Atheist]

[The Grand Nudger]

All those extra interactions cause bullshit like them being way more likely than whites to go to jail for drug possession while the races use at a similar rate, but at the same time, poor black areas are obviously policed more because that's where the gang activity is.

Is it.....?   Do you think that there's more or less organization and money behind a gated communities drug habits?

Let's consider this for a moment. Do you think the trial would (more reliably) go one way or the other if Floyd were the resident of a gated community? Is it on account of any actual difference in criminality, or is it simple matter of address? In short and in sum, how do you square the assumption of the beginning of that sentence with the conclusion at it's end?

To be blunt, you seem deeply confused.

[Rev. Rye]

[Irreligious Atheist]

[Rev. Rye]

[Irreligious Atheist]

Huh, only three percent?  Because when I hear that stat, it's usually 13 percent.

Nope. Not 13. Babies and old ladies and old men aren't doing the killing. It's usually males between the ages of 13 and 35 or something similar to that. Around 3 percent of the American population.

Edit- And lol at numeric hate symbols. Stats are not hate symbols. Sometimes hateful people bring up stats to justify their hatred. Big difference. The ADL is a crock of shit.

[The Grand Nudger]

No such thing as a judicial killing in minnessota..and yet........

At any rate, you're right. Scant few americans are murderers, so..perhaps, cops treating every person like they're a murderer is...wrong? Perhaps defense of cops on the basis of the idea that everyone they interact with is a potential murderer......is wrong?