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RE: Isn’t pantheism the same thing as atheism?
March 16, 2021 at 2:57 am
(March 16, 2021 at 2:35 am)The Grand Nudger Wrote: (March 16, 2021 at 2:13 am)Seax Wrote: A bus is merely one small part of nature, your analogy, while amusing, is ridiculous. You can't compare a bus with reality itself. Reality is an even bigger bus, gotcha. So, same question..but now with a bigger bus. More metal, more people. All the metal, all the people. BigBusGod. Is the will of one guy on the bus to fry cabbage on the bus..the Will of the Big Bus?
You mentioned to another poster that supposing god has a brain would be foolish..more or less so than supposing that it has a will?
I am talking about metaphysical reality, you are talking about a bus. The two just aren't in any sense comparable.
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RE: Isn’t pantheism the same thing as atheism?
March 16, 2021 at 2:57 am
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(March 16, 2021 at 2:13 am)Seax Wrote: I think generally most people count the Scientific Revolution as the start of science. I think that is Ferro's meaning.
There's a strange kind of myth that there was no science before that time. I'm not sure why that falsehood persists.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_s...iddle_Ages
https://www.amazon.com/Light-Ages-Surpri...oks&sr=1-1
I've even heard that the medieval church banned research through dissection, which the Romans had done. But exactly the opposite is true.
Quote:In classical antiquity, Greek and Roman taboos had meant that dissection was usually banned, but in the Middle Ages medical teachers and students at Bologna began to open human bodies, and Mondino de Luzzi (c. 1275–1326) produced the first known anatomy textbook based on human dissection.[110][111]
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RE: Isn’t pantheism the same thing as atheism?
March 16, 2021 at 3:19 am
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(March 16, 2021 at 2:57 am)Seax Wrote: (March 16, 2021 at 2:35 am)The Grand Nudger Wrote: Reality is an even bigger bus, gotcha. So, same question..but now with a bigger bus. More metal, more people. All the metal, all the people. BigBusGod. Is the will of one guy on the bus to fry cabbage on the bus..the Will of the Big Bus?
You mentioned to another poster that supposing god has a brain would be foolish..more or less so than supposing that it has a will?
I am talking about metaphysical reality, you are talking about a bus. The two just aren't in any sense comparable.
They're not only comparable, they are...in fact... the same thing. You can make the bus as grand and immense as you like - or contend that reality is just so much more immense and grand - but that won't make the single cabbage frying will of a single portion of the bus any -less- ridiculous as the Will of The Bus.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: Isn’t pantheism the same thing as atheism?
March 16, 2021 at 3:23 am
(March 16, 2021 at 3:19 am)The Grand Nudger Wrote: (March 16, 2021 at 2:57 am)Seax Wrote: I am talking about metaphysical reality, you are talking about a bus. The two just aren't in any sense comparable.
They're not only comparable, they are...in fact... the same thing. You can make the bus as grand and immense as you like - but that won't make the single cabbage frying will of a single portion of the bus any -less- ridiculous as the Will of The Bus. Talking up the paucity of the bus only makes the notion more absurd.
No, because reality is not a bus. If you want to stretch the bus until it includes everything, then you aren't talking about a bus or even any physical object as such but reality itself.
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RE: Isn’t pantheism the same thing as atheism?
March 16, 2021 at 3:24 am
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-and when I stretch the bus until t includes everything...will that be when the single cabbage frying will of the single guy is the will of the bus?
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: Isn’t pantheism the same thing as atheism?
March 16, 2021 at 3:26 am
(March 16, 2021 at 3:24 am)The Grand Nudger Wrote: -and when I stretch the bus until t includes everything...will that be when the single cabbage frying will of the single guy is the will of the bus?
At this point you are just talking about the universe itself, with all the forms & matter contained within.
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RE: Isn’t pantheism the same thing as atheism?
March 16, 2021 at 3:30 am
Sure, you can call it whatever you want - is that...when we consider all of the other everything in everything, when the single cabbage frying will of the single guy is the will of everything?
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: Isn’t pantheism the same thing as atheism?
March 16, 2021 at 3:32 am
(March 16, 2021 at 3:30 am)The Grand Nudger Wrote: Sure, you can call it whatever you want - is that...when we consider all of the other everything in everything, when the single cabbage frying will of the single guy is the will of everything?
It is but one small expression of God.
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RE: Isn’t pantheism the same thing as atheism?
March 16, 2021 at 3:35 am
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Can we get a list of things which are just small expressions of god, and not the will of god?
-and maybe, lead with that next time, eh?
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: Isn’t pantheism the same thing as atheism?
March 16, 2021 at 3:38 am
(March 16, 2021 at 3:35 am)The Grand Nudger Wrote: Can we get a list of things which are just small expressions of god, and not the will of god?
-and maybe, lead with that next time, eh?
There is nothing that is not an expression of God, though some things may be undesirable, the same way pimples are an expression of the body they appear on.
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