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RE: Popular atheist says universe is not a work of art like a painting
March 22, 2021 at 12:05 pm
See, we've already found moral agreement between us! I also think that those costumed predators are assholes.
You've asked a great question. How should you or I respond to the suggestion that...even though we think that something is wrong with that...and even though we have each others agreement to refer to in support of that belief...it's really just something about us - and not the act of doing that, that accounts for our shared belief in that specific evil?
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: Popular atheist says universe is not a work of art like a painting
March 22, 2021 at 12:15 pm
At work.
Wait?
Why again can't morals be objective?
Y'know like 'Fitness' is something objective.
Or a unit of measurement, (Decimal for the civilized folk. That other weird foot/tonne/quartz/ankle stuff for those heathen primitives  ) is objective?
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RE: Popular atheist says universe is not a work of art like a painting
March 22, 2021 at 12:18 pm
(March 22, 2021 at 12:05 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: See, we've already found moral agreement between us! I also think that those costumed predators are assholes.
You've asked a great question. How should you or I respond to the suggestion that...even though we think that something is wrong with that...and even though we have each others agreement to refer to in support of that belief...it's really just something about us - and not the act of doing that, that accounts for our shared belief in that specific evil?
You're saying there's no such thing as wrong and at the same time you're saying there is such a thing as wrong so you're either an actor or mental.
Therefore, in public at least, we have nothing in common other than breathing the same air.
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RE: Popular atheist says universe is not a work of art like a painting
March 22, 2021 at 12:23 pm
(March 22, 2021 at 12:18 pm)Walter99 Wrote: (March 22, 2021 at 12:05 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: See, we've already found moral agreement between us! I also think that those costumed predators are assholes.
You've asked a great question. How should you or I respond to the suggestion that...even though we think that something is wrong with that...and even though we have each others agreement to refer to in support of that belief...it's really just something about us - and not the act of doing that, that accounts for our shared belief in that specific evil?
You're saying there's no such thing as wrong and at the same time you're saying there is such a thing as wrong so you're either an actor or mental.
Therefore, in public at least, we have nothing in common other than breathing the same air.
Pro tip: Nudger believes in objective morality.
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RE: Popular atheist says universe is not a work of art like a painting
March 22, 2021 at 12:25 pm
(March 22, 2021 at 12:15 pm)Peebo-Thuhlu Wrote: At work.
Wait?
Why again can't morals be objective?
Y'know like 'Fitness' is something objective.
Or a unit of measurement, (Decimal for the civilized folk. That other weird foot/tonne/quartz/ankle stuff for those heathen primitives ) is objective?
If an 18 year old man stood in front of you, put on some lipstick, and told you he's really a 90 year old woman who's been mistreated by men would you believe him just because he told you normal is subjective or would you think he 's an actor/escaped mental patient?
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RE: Popular atheist says universe is not a work of art like a painting
March 22, 2021 at 12:26 pm
At work.
Wait.
Is something being 'Wrong' also the same as it being 'Immoral'?
Who knew all this time just how twisted and warp the Yanks were for driving on the wrong side of the road.
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RE: Popular atheist says universe is not a work of art like a painting
March 22, 2021 at 12:26 pm
(March 22, 2021 at 12:18 pm)Walter99 Wrote: (March 22, 2021 at 12:05 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: See, we've already found moral agreement between us! I also think that those costumed predators are assholes.
You've asked a great question. How should you or I respond to the suggestion that...even though we think that something is wrong with that...and even though we have each others agreement to refer to in support of that belief...it's really just something about us - and not the act of doing that, that accounts for our shared belief in that specific evil?
You're saying there's no such thing as wrong and at the same time you're saying there is such a thing as wrong so you're either an actor or mental.
Therefore, in public at least, we have nothing in common other than breathing the same air.
OFC I'm not saying that. Neither of us are. Still, it's something that other people might ask us about. What should we tell them?
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: Popular atheist says universe is not a work of art like a painting
March 22, 2021 at 12:27 pm
(March 22, 2021 at 12:25 pm)Walter99 Wrote: (March 22, 2021 at 12:15 pm)Peebo-Thuhlu Wrote: At work.
Wait?
Why again can't morals be objective?
Y'know like 'Fitness' is something objective.
Or a unit of measurement, (Decimal for the civilized folk. That other weird foot/tonne/quartz/ankle stuff for those heathen primitives ) is objective?
If an 18 year old man stood in front of you, put on some lipstick, and told you he's really a 90 year old woman who's been mistreated by men would you believe him just because he told you normal is subjective or would you think he 's an actor/escaped mental patient?
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RE: Popular atheist says universe is not a work of art like a painting
March 22, 2021 at 12:28 pm
At work.
(March 22, 2021 at 12:25 pm)Walter99 Wrote: (March 22, 2021 at 12:15 pm)Peebo-Thuhlu Wrote: Wait?
Why again can't morals be objective?
Y'know like 'Fitness' is something objective.
Or a unit of measurement, (Decimal for the civilized folk. That other weird foot/tonne/quartz/ankle stuff for those heathen primitives ) is objective?
If an 18 year old man stood in front of you, put on some lipstick, and told you he's really a 90 year old woman who's been mistreated by men would you believe him just because he told you normal is subjective or would you think he 's an actor/escaped mental patient?
Why do you get to answer my question with another question instead of clarifying my question with an answer?
Also, where is the 'Moral' part in your example of a person's gender identity?
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RE: Popular atheist says universe is not a work of art like a painting
March 22, 2021 at 12:30 pm
OP seems to think we're all ranting subjectivists, to the point that he or she is imagining the ranting.
I'm not anti-Christian. I'm anti-stupid.
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