Man Arrested for owning guns.

[The Architect Of Fate]

You have not answered the question.


How would the ability to " track" a gun prevent gun violence?


What exactly do you think the ability to " track" a gun would have?

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If a cop has a gun that was used by someone in a crime - you know who had it when the crime was committed - and you know who manufactured it - WITHOUT serial numbers.

Where it was between the time of it' s original sale and it' s illegal use is superfluous. If the gun is over 20nyears old ( the vast majority are) it is impossible to even know who it was originally sold to.

I apologize for not directly answering your question. I thought I did, and that it was obvious. Between serial tracking and the Integrated Ballistics Identification System we have some things in effect already, but they're not the standard and are not fully populated. To quote the US justice department:

"First, tracing enables law enforcement officials to reconstruct the history of a firearm associated with a crime. This traditional, incident-driven trace may lead to the apprehension of suspects, the identification of potential witnesses, and the discovery of other persons who may be associated with the crime under investigation. The trace may also reveal evidence for other cases and disclose crimes that previously had been undetected.

The second emerging function of firearm tracing is the identification of patterns of illegal gun trafficking. Gun tracing can facilitate development of
predictive indicators for trafficking schemes at an early stage in their life cycles. For example, patterns of partially or completely obliterated serial
numbers of firearms, multiple sales of firearms to purchasers and subsequent short time to crime, patterns of thefts from Federal firearm licensees
(FFL’s), and multiple traces to the same FFL’s or purchaser are highly significant predictors of gunrelated crime. By examining patterns in aggregates
of traces, gun tracing can help identify opportunities for intervention on the supply side of illegal firearm markets. Such intervention can then reduce further trafficking and associated violent crime. "

It's clearly not superfluous. Was using the gun the only crime committed? Eliminating criminal gun use has to have a step (and already does) that figures out how the gun got into the hands of the criminal. Why not just have a one year period where all gun owners have their guns grandfathered in. They have to report to their local PD with the guns to get input into the system, or call and get a sheriff/police, to come out and take their information. Then any new guns coming off the assembly lines automatically get registered. Then after that, if anything's not in the system, then it's illegal.

If you're a responsible gun owner, what's the harm in them being tracked. My kids are all in the "system" and tracked with social security numbers. My Vehicles are all tracked and "in the system" along with any problems I've had using said vehicles. I don't see much difference is all I'm saying.

His counters are pathetic 

1. Canada's registry didn't work because there was a strong Conservative lobby undermining it from the beginning 


2.His historical examples are dumb. Eastern Europe fell to tyranny not because everyone wasn't armed to the teeth but because it had a tradition of a robust democracy. Guns don't stop tyrants functional democracies do.

So right off the bat, his reasoning is poor.

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People have been historically reluctant to cooperate with law enforcement for as long as there’s been law enforcement.  

Should we crack some skulls to make criminals and criminal sympathizers more compliant?

What appears to have the feds most concerned at present, is a pattern in the movement of grey or black market firearms.  Certainly nothing that law abiding gun owners like you and myself are willing to risk our own rights over, right?

Remember your dealing with a guy who thinks guns stop dictators

[The Grand Nudger]

I think that’s a charitable interpretation. I think that I’m dealing with a guy who believes that the privilege of a gun owning class can support a de facto dictatorship. I know he knows better than to engage an infantry platoon with his toys.

[The Architect Of Fate]

I think that’s a charitable interpretation.  I think that I’m dealing with a guy who believes that the privilege of a gun owning class can support a de facto dictatorship.  I know he knows better than to engage an infantry platoon with his toys.

Today's armed "freedom fighters" are tomorrow's military junta if their leader has the will to be a tyrant.

[The Grand Nudger]

Y’all qaeda. Tennessee Taliban. Missouri mujahideen. The supremacist state of batshit-istan in the US, Canada, and Mexico.

[HappySkeptic]

1. Canada's registry didn't work because there was a strong Conservative lobby undermining it from the beginning 

It was a long-gun registry, that included the .22 or .303 you use to shoot groundhogs on your land.  There were already strong gun laws, and this was considered over-reach by everyone rural (not just the right wing).

[onlinebiker]

1. Canada's registry didn't work because there was a strong Conservative lobby undermining it from the beginning 

It was a long-gun registry, that included the .22 or .303 you use to shoot groundhogs on your land.  There were already strong gun laws, and this was considered over-reach by everyone rural (not just the right wing).

Government shouldn' t concern itself with the opinions of the peons. It should rule with an iron fist.

[The Architect Of Fate]

1. Canada's registry didn't work because there was a strong Conservative lobby undermining it from the beginning 

It was a long-gun registry, that included the .22 or .303 you use to shoot groundhogs on your land.  There were already strong gun laws, and this was considered over-reach by everyone rural (not just the right wing).

That's simply not true. Our gun laws are not strong and only right-wing nutters seriously complained about the registry, And it only failed because Conservatives did everything possible to see it fail.

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Government shouldn' t concern itself with the opinions of the peons. It should rule with an iron fist.

Lol, the Canadian government is iron-fisted? ......

Christ your an ignorant fuck 

[Brian37]

It was a long-gun registry, that included the .22 or .303 you use to shoot groundhogs on your land.  There were already strong gun laws, and this was considered over-reach by everyone rural (not just the right wing).

Government shouldn' t concern itself with the opinions of the peons. It should rule with an iron fist.

Oh so here we have a bleeding heart, whom doesn't always get what they want, so evil government is to blame.

[The Architect Of Fate]

Government shouldn' t concern itself with the opinions of the peons. It should rule with an iron fist.

Oh so here we have a bleeding heart, whom doesn't always get what they want, so evil government is to blame.

It's only fisted tyranny when it's done to him 

[onlinebiker]

Government shouldn' t concern itself with the opinions of the peons. It should rule with an iron fist.

Oh so here we have a bleeding heart, whom doesn't always get what they want, so evil government is to blame.

Are you smoking catnip again?

I' ve got pretty much all I want. I can carry a gun much to your chagrin..i can own a silencer and hunt deer with an AR15. I own more cars than some gun dealerships and I have an SO who will jump in bed with me - happily and willingly - at the drop of a hat.

You look to government as the messiah. The cure to all your ails. 

I see government as a needy relative. They need me way more than I need them - but I'm obligated to put up with their bullshit.