Man Arrested for owning guns.

[Fireball]

^ Unless they admit it. I bought a pistol in '74, did the paper for a background search or whatever was done then. So, it was "registered". But about 14 years ago California dropped that for an electronic system. All the old paper stuff means nothing to them, you have to go put it in the system.

[Brian37]

^ Unless they admit it. I bought a pistol in '74, did the paper for a background search or whatever was done then. So, it was "registered". But about 14 years ago California dropped that for an electronic system. All the old paper stuff means nothing to them, you have to go put it in the system.

We expect police and military to be tracked considering weapons. I find it bullshit that people can walk off the street can handle the same weapons with no tracing.

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

^ Unless they admit it. I bought a pistol in '74, did the paper for a background search or whatever was done then. So, it was "registered". But about 14 years ago California dropped that for an electronic system. All the old paper stuff means nothing to them, you have to go put it in the system.

We expect police and military to be tracked considering weapons. I find it bullshit that people can walk off the street can handle the same weapons with no tracing.

You know a lot of civilians with rocket launchers, do you?

Boru

[The Grand Nudger]

The ability to track guns has been immensely useful in predicting and preventing crime, OLb, and that’s in spite of you and yours and every attempt to make it less useful.

As ever, a disagreement with the mere existence of things. Without that TRACE system, we wouldn’t even know what we were looking at. It would always be pure forensics. That’d be just swell for crooks…which is why we changed it in the first place. Fucking ignorant nut.

I’m willing to bet that you believe that your guns are a black box. That there’s no possible way that a serial number and rifling pattern is in federal hands…for the guns you will almost certainly commit some crime with, someday- while believing yourself to be a law abiding gun owner.

[onlinebiker]

It' s amazing you can enunciate so well despite a lack of vocal cords.

I suppose it comes from practice - years worth - talking out your ass.....

[The Architect Of Fate]

It' s amazing you can enunciate so well despite a lack of vocal cords.

It's amazing how you can utter such pointless babble despite having the cognitive capacity of a cocktail shrimp.

I suppose it comes from practice - years worth - talking out your ass.....

You would know all about stuff coming in and out of an ass as your head is externally wedged up yours.

[Foxaèr]

Yes, yes, take away all their guns!

[tackattack]

You have not answered the question.


How would the ability to " track" a gun prevent gun violence?


What exactly do you think the ability to " track" a gun would have?

.....

If a cop has a gun that was used by someone in a crime - you know who had it when the crime was committed - and you know who manufactured it - WITHOUT serial numbers.

Where it was between the time of it' s original sale and it' s illegal use is superfluous. If the gun is over 20nyears old ( the vast majority are) it is impossible to even know who it was originally sold to.

I apologize for not directly answering your question. I thought I did, and that it was obvious. Between serial tracking and the Integrated Ballistics Identification System we have some things in effect already, but they're not the standard and are not fully populated. To quote the US justice department:

"First, tracing enables law enforcement officials to reconstruct the history of a firearm associated with a crime. This traditional, incident-driven trace may lead to the apprehension of suspects, the identification of potential witnesses, and the discovery of other persons who may be associated with the crime under investigation. The trace may also reveal evidence for other cases and disclose crimes that previously had been undetected.

The second emerging function of firearm tracing is the identification of patterns of illegal gun trafficking. Gun tracing can facilitate development of
predictive indicators for trafficking schemes at an early stage in their life cycles. For example, patterns of partially or completely obliterated serial
numbers of firearms, multiple sales of firearms to purchasers and subsequent short time to crime, patterns of thefts from Federal firearm licensees
(FFL’s), and multiple traces to the same FFL’s or purchaser are highly significant predictors of gunrelated crime. By examining patterns in aggregates
of traces, gun tracing can help identify opportunities for intervention on the supply side of illegal firearm markets. Such intervention can then reduce further trafficking and associated violent crime. "

It's clearly not superfluous. Was using the gun the only crime committed? Eliminating criminal gun use has to have a step (and already does) that figures out how the gun got into the hands of the criminal. Why not just have a one year period where all gun owners have their guns grandfathered in. They have to report to their local PD with the guns to get input into the system, or call and get a sheriff/police, to come out and take their information. Then any new guns coming off the assembly lines automatically get registered. Then after that, if anything's not in the system, then it's illegal.

If you're a responsible gun owner, what's the harm in them being tracked. My kids are all in the "system" and tracked with social security numbers. My Vehicles are all tracked and "in the system" along with any problems I've had using said vehicles. I don't see much difference is all I'm saying.

[onlinebiker]

You have not answered the question.


How would the ability to " track" a gun prevent gun violence?


What exactly do you think the ability to " track" a gun would have?

.....

If a cop has a gun that was used by someone in a crime - you know who had it when the crime was committed - and you know who manufactured it - WITHOUT serial numbers.

Where it was between the time of it' s original sale and it' s illegal use is superfluous. If the gun is over 20nyears old ( the vast majority are) it is impossible to even know who it was originally sold to.

I apologize for not directly answering your question. I thought I did, and that it was obvious. Between serial tracking and the Integrated Ballistics Identification System we have some things in effect already, but they're not the standard and are not fully populated. To quote the US justice department:

"First, tracing enables law enforcement officials to reconstruct the history of a firearm associated with a crime. This traditional, incident-driven trace may lead to the apprehension of suspects, the identification of potential witnesses, and the discovery of other persons who may be associated with the crime under investigation. The trace may also reveal evidence for other cases and disclose crimes that previously had been undetected.

The second emerging function of firearm tracing is the identification of patterns of illegal gun trafficking. Gun tracing can facilitate development of
predictive indicators for trafficking schemes at an early stage in their life cycles. For example, patterns of partially or completely obliterated serial
numbers of firearms, multiple sales of firearms to purchasers and subsequent short time to crime, patterns of thefts from Federal firearm licensees
(FFL’s), and multiple traces to the same FFL’s or purchaser are highly significant predictors of gunrelated crime. By examining patterns in aggregates
of traces, gun tracing can help identify opportunities for intervention on the supply side of illegal firearm markets. Such intervention can then reduce further trafficking and associated violent crime. "

It's clearly not superfluous. Was using the gun the only crime committed? Eliminating criminal gun use has to have a step (and already does) that figures out how the gun got into the hands of the criminal. Why not just have a one year period where all gun owners have their guns grandfathered in. They have to report to their local PD with the guns to get input into the system, or call and get a sheriff/police, to come out and take their information. Then any new guns coming off the assembly lines automatically get registered. Then after that, if anything's not in the system, then it's illegal.

If you're a responsible gun owner, what's the harm in them being tracked. My kids are all in the "system" and tracked with social security numbers. My Vehicles are all tracked and "in the system" along with any problems I've had using said vehicles. I don't see much difference is all I'm saying.

You think Americans will be more compliant than Canadians?

They tried that.

It didn't work.

...

When Lithuania was taken over by the Germans - they were ordered to surrender their weapons. Same thing when the Soviets took over. When the Soviets left - I saw news coverage that showed Lithuanians sporting WWII vintage guns and submachine guns. 

People don' t give up their weapons....

How can you not know that?

And spare me the " we don' t want to take away your guns" line.

Maybe not this week. But once you have that handy list of who has what - you won' t be able to help yourself ..

You don' t trust us with guns.

We don' t trust you.

Seems even to me.

[The Grand Nudger]

People have been historically reluctant to cooperate with law enforcement for as long as there’s been law enforcement.

Should we crack some skulls to make criminals and criminal sympathizers more compliant?

What appears to have the feds most concerned at present, is a pattern in the movement of grey or black market firearms. Certainly nothing that law abiding gun owners like you and myself are willing to risk our own rights over, right?