How atheists can enjoy religion

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

Finally I meet here someone who also has seen the light that is anime. By the way Boru is also an anime fan, its just he is shy to admit it.

Boru is also an administrator with access to a rather large ban hammer. Just saying.

Boru

[brewer]

[WinterHold]

[Astreja]

Other religions fail in giving anything logical like this.

Believe that if you want, WinterHold. I think you're wrong.

I think what you have in Islam is bits and pieces of knowledge "borrowed" from neighbouring cultures, seen through the eye of the Texas Sharpshooter Fallacy by modern-day believers - trying to tie Quranic mythology to science by liberally reinterpreting poetic phrases in the context of things that were discovered long after the Qur'an was written.

There's nothing the least bit divine in the passage you quoted. Humans have known about the sun, moon and planets for a long, long time.

[WinterHold]

Other religions fail in giving anything logical like this.

Believe that if you want, WinterHold.  I think you're wrong.

I think what you have in Islam is bits and pieces of knowledge "borrowed" from neighbouring cultures, seen through the eye of the Texas Sharpshooter Fallacy by modern-day believers - trying to tie Quranic mythology to science by liberally reinterpreting poetic phrases in the context of things that were discovered long after the Qur'an was written.

There's nothing the least bit divine in the passage you quoted.  Humans have known about the sun, moon and planets for a long, long time.

1-I place my source for ideas as being the Quranic verses (quoting them in process), 
2-then I mention my interpretation for them and what made me conclude & believe in that interpretation to be the true one.

I also use my native fluency in Arabic language and ability to read Arabic by birth.

Borrowing "sources to support my interpretation" (step 2) in producing the interpretation, is fine by me and actually an eye opener too: under the conditions of the sources be authentic (like documented scientific articles from Wikipedia/other authentic sites).

Don't forget that I'm a globalist individual who believes that humans "are all the same specie with mere differences in color". So borrowing a credit fact from another culture is very legal for me.

[Astreja]

So borrowing a credit fact from another culture is very legal for me.

I think you misunderstood me. As I see it, the Qur'an authors borrowed already-existing information (e.g. the known existence of the sun, moon and planets.)

Fact: The sun, moon and planets exist. I've observed all three myself (only planets in the solar system I haven't observed are Uranus and Neptune - I've seen all the others.)

Unsupported assertion: A god created the sun, moon and planets.

[Ahriman]

So borrowing a credit fact from another culture is very legal for me.

I think you misunderstood me.  As I see it, the Qur'an authors borrowed already-existing information (e.g. the known existence of the sun, moon and planets.)

Fact:  The sun, moon and planets exist.  I've observed all three myself (only planets in the solar system I haven't observed are Uranus and Neptune - I've seen all the others.)

Unsupported assertion:  A god created the sun, moon and planets.

This might be a little abstract, but I would argue all words/concepts are unsupported assertions, until they are argued for. So if you're willing to argue for the idea that there are planets, stars, moons, etc., then those things become real. Likewise, if you're willing to argue for the idea that there are gods, who created planets, stars, moons, etc., then gods become real.

[Astreja]

This might be a little abstract, but I would argue all words/concepts are unsupported assertions, until they are argued for. So if you're willing to argue for the idea that there are planets, stars, moons, etc., then those things become real. Likewise, if you're willing to argue for the idea that there are gods, who created planets, stars, moons, etc., then gods become real.

Perhaps gods "become real" to the person doing the arguing, but that isn't necessarily transferable to other people. I've not experienced anything that would give me a sense of gods being real. The Great Red Spot on Jupiter, though, is real to me because I've seen it. Same for the rings of Saturn.

And (subject to the visibility of planets on a particular night) I can point up to a spot in a sky, and say "There's Jupiter, there's Saturn, Mars is over there, and that bright one near the western horizon is Venus. Can't see Mercury tonight because it's really close to the sun at the moment."

Much, much more real to me than gods.

[brewer]

[Mister Agenda]

This might be a little abstract, but I would argue all words/concepts are unsupported assertions, until they are argued for. So if you're willing to argue for the idea that there are planets, stars, moons, etc., then those things become real. Likewise, if you're willing to argue for the idea that there are gods, who created planets, stars, moons, etc., then gods become real.

This seems to be a uniquely theistic position, I've never seen an atheist paint themselves into a corner where they have to admit that if they're right, Santa Claus and leprechauns and shit made up on the spot are real.

As an aside, I'm enjoying religion at the moment, in a way (of course I already enjoy anime). I'm re-reading the Bible. It's much less traumatic this time now that I know the Hebrews didn't do nearly as much slaughtering of the innocent as they claimed to in their foundational myths. I can appreciate the aburdity this time around (like the lesser known plague of hemorrhoids against the Philistines and the five golden hemorrhoids they had to pay up to make it stop), and since I'm reading a Catholic version, there's several parts I haven't read before. Just finished Tobin, which I was previously completely unfamiliar with.