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[Irreligious Atheist]

You show how naive you are by saying that all the evidence they have is a couple of blurry videos. 99 percent of the evidence that they have has not been released. 

Yeah, I'm naive because I haven't considered something that hasn't been released.

The truth is that people who believe claims how pilots see alien spaceships every day are naive. If you believe it so much, then hire an airplane, go up there and get some real good photos of alien spaceships for a change. Maybe you can also make a 1st contact. That would definitely assure you a Nobel Prize and the rest of accolades.

You're being intellectually dishonest by taking a couple of short clips and acting like that is everything there is, while you ignore all context surrounding those clips, and things like radar, etc.

Really, they have radar data for those triangle ufos?

Just the opposite, when you look at the cockpit data you can get a very mundane explanation.

Like take this two: left is the IR glare from a jet engine but at right is a "flying saucer".The difference in appearance none. The rotation comes from the gimbal system (hence the filename).

You're naive because you're acting like governments don't keep secrets or that there isn't a shitload of classified material that we haven't seen. Do you think Harry Reid is just lying out of his ass? Not sure exactly what you believe, but you are acting like the short clips that have been released are the only clips or data or evidence in existence. If you think you know it all based on .001 percent of the information that governments have, that's just not rational. Waiting for more information to come out and reserving judgment and sticking with "I don't know" is perfectly fine.

Those Mick West/ Thunderf00t debunking videos were bullshit. I will quote my post from a few pages back. Watch the part I mention at the timestamp given, and Mick West is the one debunked. Recreating something kind of similar and concluding that it's a bird or plane is bullshit.

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aB8zcAttP1E&t=727s

Mick West is not really a good source for debunking UAP videos. Go to 2 hours and 30 minutes into the podcast above with Lex Fridman and David Fravor. Fravor tears West a new asshole and explains why Mick West is wrong and in Mick's analysis, Mick had no idea about the equipment or camera used, and made a bunch of false assumptions. Watch that part and tell me if you still think Mick was right. Not that Mick hasn't done some good work, but he's blown it big time when analyzing some of these UAP events, and his credibility has definitely taken a hit.

Where did I say they were alien spaceships? This is exciting stuff to think about whether it's aliens, alien drones, secret tech from earth, or just natural phenomena that we can't yet explain. You are the one being the conspiracy theorist if you think the establishment including the media and politicians and some big name scientists are all conspiring to make something out of nothing (not that some conspiracy theories aren't correct, of course). The establishment decides what the narrative is, and before it was always mockery, and now it's being taken seriously. Why is the establishment pushing the "it's to be taken seriously" narrative at this moment in time rather than continuing to mock? I would like to know that myself.

[Fake Messiah]

You're naive because you're acting like governments don't keep secrets or that there isn't a shitload of classified material that we haven't seen.

Yeah, because governments have secrets alien spaceships are visiting us and Hitler is alive - oh wait, you never said that those were alien spaceships - so what the fuck are we having this conversation for? Are they alien ghosts?

Do you think Harry Reid is just lying out of his ass?

Yeah, just like Marco Rubio.

Waiting for more information to come out and reserving judgment and sticking with "I don't know" is perfectly fine.

Those Mick West/ Thunderf00t debunking videos were bullshit. I will quote my post from a few pages back. Watch the part I mention at the timestamp given, and Mick West is the one debunked. Recreating something kind of similar and concluding that it's a bird or plane is bullshit.

I gave you a video for what Gimbal most likely is, it's your bad that you are instead talking about Mick West and poisoning the well. I really don't care for that kind of BS conversations.

Why is the establishment pushing the "it's to be taken seriously" narrative at this moment in time rather than continuing to mock?

Establishment? If you're talking about mainstream media then they've been talking about UFOs since forever, it's only the UFO people who are creating this "persecution narrative" that they are being hushed.

Also, who exactly from the Pentagon said that those b/w videos of blobs are unexplainable?

[Peebothuhlu]

At work.

I do find the whole UFO thing just a tad odd.

For instance. It's been known in various aviation circles and such for a while now that when the SR-71 was flitting about. It's ground track at points could be worked out by the seismic disturbances its passage left behind.

Not sure if it's the same for Concord. Might be interesting to check.

I can only surmise with the huge amounts of data collecting instruments scattered all over the place, both on land and at sea, that any vehicle traveling at 'Ludicrous speeds' would be showing up as weird and anomalous readings all over the place.

Its not just the shakey/wonky images that people are presenting as evidence but, again if they are weirdly and hyperactive machines, then there should also be corroborating data from other sources.

That the rumours of the US Airforce experimenting with "Aurora" the 'Hypersonic' replacement fir the SR-71 partly come from seismic tracks around the experimental airbase that match such speeds.

So for these other unexplained images, where is their additional data if any?

Jus' sayin'.

[Fake Messiah]

Exactly. I would like to know why people get so worked up about the military? Just look at that "green triangles" ufo video, it's a very bad video, but because it was taken by a soldier, people freak out about it. And this idea that we are surrounded by ufos/ aliens but that the military is holding all the evidence, the aliens apparently only show themselves to military pilots - if this was so massive, military could not hide it, other people would also see and record it.

So it's impossible to overstate the massive journalism fail we're seeing today with the elevation of supposedly mysterious UFOs as a legitimate news story.

Like let's look at one of the few people showing up in virtually every major news story since 2017 (as a UFO whistleblower) is Luis Elizondo, a former military intelligence officer. But the Pentagon has previously stated that Luis Elizondo had no assigned responsibilities with its UFO research program (which he says he directed) and also that its UFO research program didn't actually research UFOs. Why the discrepancy? Why so little mention of the discrepancy?
This rejection of Elizondo's claims by Department of Justice was first reported in 2019 article.
https://theintercept.com/2019/06/01/ufo-...-pentagon/

And yet all the mainstream UFO stories we've seen since 2017-starting with a big NYT front page story--and of late in New Yorker, at 60 Minutes, hinge on Elizondo as a credible national security professional.

And also, to make Elizondo the credible face of the UFO story, as many in the media have, you have to ignore his deep and open embrace of UFO conspiracy nuts across the spectrum, starting with Tom DeLonge in 2017.
https://www.spin.com/2017/12/tom-delonge...ork-times/

As well as Elizondo's upcoming May 20 appearance with longtime conspiracist Richard Dolan who is, among other things, a 9/11 truther. Maybe 60 Minutes will mention that in its next big UFO report.

[Silver]

Anti-vaxxers are now convinced they’ll inherit the earth as lone survivors after vaccines kill everyone else
rawstory.com

Some users on the TikTok social media app seem to think they'll be left with the world to themselves after vaccinated people die off.

The videos, hashtagged with "#unvaccinated" and other high-interest terms designed to appear on users' "For You" recommendations, have been viewed thousands and thousands of times, and are just a fraction of the misinformation spread on the platform, reported Vice.

[Irreligious Atheist]

You're naive because you're acting like governments don't keep secrets or that there isn't a shitload of classified material that we haven't seen.

Yeah, because governments have secrets alien spaceships are visiting us and Hitler is alive - oh wait, you never said that those were alien spaceships - so what the fuck are we having this conversation for? Are they alien ghosts?

Do you think Harry Reid is just lying out of his ass?

Yeah, just like Marco Rubio.

Waiting for more information to come out and reserving judgment and sticking with "I don't know" is perfectly fine.

Those Mick West/ Thunderf00t debunking videos were bullshit. I will quote my post from a few pages back. Watch the part I mention at the timestamp given, and Mick West is the one debunked. Recreating something kind of similar and concluding that it's a bird or plane is bullshit.

I gave you a video for what Gimbal most likely is, it's your bad that you are instead talking about Mick West and poisoning the well. I really don't care for that kind of BS conversations.

Why is the establishment pushing the "it's to be taken seriously" narrative at this moment in time rather than continuing to mock?

Establishment? If you're talking about mainstream media then they've been talking about UFOs since forever, it's only the UFO people who are creating this "persecution narrative" that they are being hushed.

Also, who exactly from the Pentagon said that those b/w videos of blobs are unexplainable?

The video you posted was a recreation made by Mick West, was it not? Why wouldn't I bring him up when he's the one that did the recreation? Mick West didn't know anything about the camera that took the gimbal UAP video. He used a completely different, cheap gimbal camera to make his recreation compared to the millions of dollars of equipment that was used to take the original, and just because you can show a slight recreation of what the original video shows, that isn't enough to solve things and conclude that it was just a plane. And in your previous posts you didn't say you showed "what it most likely is". You said the UAP videos were debunked. I'd love for more concrete evidence to be released to the public, but I'm amazed we've even been allowed to see what they've given us. Hopefully more info keeps coming out as time goes on. 99 percent of this stuff will not be released for national security reasons. It makes perfect sense.

I don't blame you for not trusting politicians that talk about the UAP/USO subject. I'm usually the last one to trust any politicians word. Do you really think some of the most well known scientists who talk about these things are embarrassing themselves to the point where they are confusing birds and planes for possible secret tech or whatever else it could be that is far more advanced than what the US military has? I find that hard to believe, unless this is the biggest psychological operation of all time, where government, media, and scientists all conspire together to try to push this narrative, for whatever reason. Some conspiracy theorists online have claimed that governments will use a fake alien threat to merge the world together into a one world government. Other conspiracy theorists think that governments are going to conspire to try to pull off a false flag fake alien invasion on the world.

My question to you is, if you think this is all BS and UAP and USOs are all birds or planes, and this is all some giant conspiracy to fool the people, what do you think the end goal is by the powers that be?

[Fake Messiah]

The video you posted was a recreation made by Mick West, was it not? Why wouldn't I bring him up when he's the one that did the recreation? Mick West didn't know anything about the camera that took the gimbal UAP video.

Wow, you really are into UFO religion and Mick West is your Richard Dawkins. Let's put it this way, the guy has a very good argument and until you can come up with better one or better evidence I'll stick to occam's razor.

I mean, if you are into truth so much, why not first debunk Luis Elizondo?

And in your previous posts you didn't say you showed "what it most likely is". You said the UAP videos were debunked. 

In my previous posts I already talked about those videos and photos, because they are constantly showing the same photos and videos. Like this photo



Now this is just ridiculous. It looks very much like a solar balloon.

Hopefully more info keeps coming out as time goes on. 99 percent of this stuff will not be released for national security reasons. It makes perfect sense.

Yeah, the show must go on. "They will release the evidence", but when it turns out its not aliens, the UFO people will just say "Oh, it's watered down version, of course they are not allowed to show us the real deal because reasons," and keep waiting for the evidence forever.

That's because one can not debunk any conspiracy theory because every evidence that shows how it is wrong becomes part of that conspiracy.

My question to you is, if you think this is all BS and UAP and USOs are all birds or planes, and this is all some giant conspiracy to fool the people, what do you think the end goal is by the powers that be?

Are there really powers that be or just some trolls?
I also discussed this previously by pasting an article. It seems that some politicians are taking advantage of this to trash the current government. Another Deep State crap.
You yourself admit that, and I quote: Some conspiracy theorists online have claimed that governments will use a fake alien threat to merge the world together into a one world government. Other conspiracy theorists think that governments are going to conspire to try to pull off a false flag fake alien invasion on the world.

It seems Republicans and alike can not scare voters that Biden will forbid Christianity, so they go with UFOs and that he is hiding the evidence and trying to create one world government and etc.

[Irreligious Atheist]

The video you posted was a recreation made by Mick West, was it not? Why wouldn't I bring him up when he's the one that did the recreation? Mick West didn't know anything about the camera that took the gimbal UAP video.

Wow, you really are into UFO religion and Mick West is your Richard Dawkins. Let's put it this way, the guy has a very good argument and until you can come up with better one or better evidence I'll stick to occam's razor.

I mean, if you are into truth so much, why not first debunk Luis Elizondo?

And in your previous posts you didn't say you showed "what it most likely is". You said the UAP videos were debunked. 

In my previous posts I already talked about those videos and photos, because they are constantly showing the same photos and videos. Like this photo



Now this is just ridiculous. It looks very much like a solar balloon.

Hopefully more info keeps coming out as time goes on. 99 percent of this stuff will not be released for national security reasons. It makes perfect sense.

Yeah, the show must go on. "They will release the evidence", but when it turns out its not aliens, the UFO people will just say "Oh, it's watered down version, of course they are not allowed to show us the real deal because reasons," and keep waiting for the evidence forever.

That's because one can not debunk any conspiracy theory because every evidence that shows how it is wrong becomes part of that conspiracy.

My question to you is, if you think this is all BS and UAP and USOs are all birds or planes, and this is all some giant conspiracy to fool the people, what do you think the end goal is by the powers that be?

Are there really powers that be or just some trolls?
I also discussed this previously by pasting an article. It seems that some politicians are taking advantage of this to trash the current government. Another Deep State crap.
You yourself admit that, and I quote: Some conspiracy theorists online have claimed that governments will use a fake alien threat to merge the world together into a one world government. Other conspiracy theorists think that governments are going to conspire to try to pull off a false flag fake alien invasion on the world.

It seems Republicans and alike can not scare voters that Biden will forbid Christianity, so they go with UFOs and that he is hiding the evidence and trying to create one world government and etc.

President Obama just spoke on UAP and said "we can't explain how they moved, their trajectory. They did not have an easily explainable pattern."



Is President Obama lying and part of the biggest psychological operation known to man? I'm not saying that can't be the case, but you are engaging in Alex Jones level conspiracy theorising right now. You have to realize that in the case of UAP, you are not willing to give new data and information a chance because you've already decided what you believe and nothing is going to get you to budge from that position, and in this case, you are the conspiracy theorist, not the ones who are taking the phenomena seriously at this point in time, which does not have to mean believing we are being visited by little green or grey men. I know that Rubio is a republican so anything that comes out of his mouth you probably assume to be a lie, and that's going to be right most of the time, but why is Obama lying about this? You claimed everything was debunked based on a couple of short 15 or 20 second clips. It's time to accept you were being naive and you didn't give this subject a proper look. I get it. It's a mindfuck to think about what this stuff could be, and it's a paradigm shift for sure, but there is plenty of reason to take this stuff seriously at this point in time. Time to start adjusting how we thought of the world, because that's an outdated picture of the world at this point in time.

[Fake Messiah]

I don't have to believe in aliens until I see the evidence. It's all very loose, just like you claiming not to claim that UFOs are alien spaceships, so we never really know what we are talking about.

Obama said something opened for interpretation, media failed to ask a single follow-up question, and you are already playing this as official confirmation.

[Irreligious Atheist]

I don't have to believe in aliens until I see the evidence. It's all very loose, just like you claiming not to claim that UFOs are alien spaceships, so we never really know what we are talking about.

Obama said something opened for interpretation, media failed to ask a single follow-up question, and you are already playing this as official confirmation.

We are talking about unidentified areal phenomena (UAP) and unidentified submerged objects (USOs). It's phenomena that is unidentified. Can't get much clearer than that. Could be aliens. Could be alien drones. Could be some type of robotics or AI aliens sent out into the universe. Could be secret tech like drones created on earth. Could simply be unknown weather phenomena. Even if you conclude that there's only a one in 100,000 chance it's aliens, that's still exciting.

You doubted the stories in the news and asked me if the navy confirmed that objects were actually unidentified... well, here is the big man himself, the POTUS, the former leader of the free world, confirming that there is phenomena where the movements and trajectory can not be explained. You thought it was all just a hoax and people were making something out of nothing. Well, the POTUS himself, someone who is generally pretty respected on this forum, just confirmed that the phenomena is real, and it's certainly not birds, planes, or weather balloons. You can say things look fishy with Lou Elizondo or whatever other figure, but you can't use that line of logic any longer, now that the POTUS himself has come out and acknowledged that this is all legitimate news, and there really are things out there moving and maneuvering in ways that man can't explain. You can't interpret what Obama said any other way. He said it. The phenomena is real. You can wait for more evidence before you start taking the subject super seriously, which is fine, but don't act like all has been debunked, because that's a laughable position at this point. Like I said before though, I used to mock this stuff too, so I can see where you are coming from, but you're wrong about this subject. It's probably shocking for you to hear Obama himself confirm what you thought was merely a hoax, and hopefully in time you will see you've been far too close minded on this subject.