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The soft toys parents hope connect kids to their faith
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RE: The soft toys parents hope connect kids to their faith
(October 25, 2021 at 5:29 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: When considering the full breadth of observed phenomena, is it any wonder that hindus imagined a bunch of middle managers?  "Fuck, this is alot"..said one, "yeah, must be  whole organization", said the other.  It's part and parcel to theism, to imagining gods and fundamental forces..as people.


I think the reason for that is that people start with curiosity.
"What is that?"
"Why does the wind blow?"
"What is lightning?"
etc.

The scientific answers are too complex, difficult to discover, very time consuming to discover, and it requires equipment.
Ancient humans went with the lowest hanging fruit: “Some guy is doing it.”

1. So, I think these old religions started with animism.
2. Eventually, they get upgraded to the status of superhumans.
3. Eventually, someone decides to create various stories about them interacting with humans or interacting with each other.
4. Someone decides to carve a statue or draw a picture. They always seem to look like human. Sometimes, they have a dog head, elephant head, crocodile head, bird wings.
They are essentially a combination of things that humans see in their environment.

For example, they don’t put a rocket pack on them.
They don’t have glasses.
They don’t have a pocket watch.
They don’t have a pocket calculator or iphone.

5. At some point, someone decides that the bad weather, diseases and other problems are caused by upset gods or upset spirits.
They think that perhaps they can make a deal or become friends with a gods. They offer gifts. They offer food or they give a human to them by killing them.
So, you end up with the idea of sacrificing.
For example, in the Tanakh, the jewish god wants Abraham to sacrifice his son. Abraham was about to do it. The god is happy that he was going to do it and finally tells him not to do it. He gives him a goat to sacrifice.

6. In the case of judaism, they have fused their gods in 1 guy. In the case of Zoroastrianism, they have fused their evil gods into 1 evil god and they have fused their good gods into 1 good god.
This makes 1 or 2 super duper ultra god.
Humans like to worship power.
It’s also difficult for a human to memorize hundreds of god names and the stories that go along with them. Reducing it to 1 god also reduces the stories and it makes it easier to remember.

7. The evolution of religion is part of the evolution of humans. Eventually, science gets developed enough and comes into conflict with the claims of religions.
Along with science, you have skepticism and logical thinking.
And you end up with forums like this one. We come here to enjoy the evolution.
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RE: The soft toys parents hope connect kids to their faith
@Ferrocyanide
Sure, even when some observed natural phenomena is fairly well understood, the theists god has a place.  Not so much to explain the thing, but to explain how to bargain with it.  That's the intercessory component of theistic belief as opposed to deism - in which a god may explain some (or all) x, but doesn't provide a lever to barter with or over x.

Whether or not some person is doing x is, ultimately, immaterial.  There's no shortage of impersonal beasties and forces said to do x in our myths - in any theistic belief system these things will be subordinate to or somehow exploitable by the personal.
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RE: The soft toys parents hope connect kids to their faith
Holy cow, talk about beefing up some profits.
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RE: The soft toys parents hope connect kids to their faith
(October 23, 2021 at 4:49 pm)zebo-the-fat Wrote: The soft toys parents hope connect kids to their faith

Over the last few years a handful of small UK and US businesses have popped-up selling religious soft toys aimed at parents of children aged under 10.
Hindu-origin parents are the business brains behind many of the brands, hoping to maximise sales in the run up to Diwali, the festival of lights which is on 4 November this year.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-5892...gn=KARANGA

Catch 'em young before they learn to think!

Complain just enough that they'll keep doing it. Few tactics backfire as spectacularly as demonstrating to children from a very early age that religion is no more serious than any of their other stuffed toys.
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