5 Dead 40 Injured in Waukesha Wi.

[The Architect Of Fate]

What planet are you from where guns spontaneously fire all on their own?


Because that doesn' t happen on this planet.

Good thing he didn't argue for that. But nice strawman ....

[Rev. Rye]

Not to mention it happened a few days ago at an Atlanta airport. To be fair, it’s not a terribly common occurrence (and I never said it was, just that it does happen sometimes), and if a firearm is properly maintained, it should be phenomenally rare to nonexistent. But not everybody does the proper maintenance, and therefore, it does happen sometimes.

[onlinebiker]

Bullshit 

Bullshit.


Bullshit.

Never did " the gun just went off".

There is ALWAYS some negligent prick involved 99.99999%.of the time with his booger hook on the trigger.

You obviously have no real experience with firearms. I have NEVER seen in over 50 years of gun handling and ownership - nor in my time selling guns or working on them for customers - a gun spontaneously fire. The ONLY one I have heard of - and known examples are very rare - less than 5 known - was a malfunction with the safety on Remington 700 rifles - AND THOSE still required a person to disengage the safety.

Literally 1 in billions odds.

[Rev. Rye]

Eppur Si Muove, Biker. Eppur Si Muove.

[The Architect Of Fate]

Eppur Si Muove, Biker. Eppur Si Muove.

I love how desperate he is to downplay this 

[Oldandeasilyconfused]

Bullshit 

Bullshit.


Bullshit.

Never did " the gun just went off".

There is ALWAYS some negligent prick involved 99.99999%.of the time with his booger hook on the trigger.

You obviously have no real experience with firearms. I have NEVER seen in over 50 years of gun handling and ownership - nor in my time selling guns or working on them for customers - a gun spontaneously fire. The ONLY one I have heard of - and known examples are very rare - less than 5 known - was a malfunction with the safety on Remington 700 rifles - AND THOSE still required a person to disengage the safety.

Literally 1 in billions odds.

"No real experience---" is an ad hominem fallacy.

As it turns out, I've had a bit of experience with firearms, in the army: Our Basic weapon was the7.62 rifle in which I was rated marksman. Plus F1 submachine gun (piece of shit), Plus M60 machine gun, M26, M36 grenades.  Have fired all of those weapons. Plus in Malaysia the Armalite, Bren and Carl Gustav anti tank. (never fired the Carl Gustav)

I have never allowed firearms on my property. My issue with civilians with guns is a combination of their stupidity and the immediacy of a gun. You are 80% more likely to shoot yourself than anyone else. Or perhaps your toddler will get hold of your gun and shoot himself or a sibling.

I'm reasonably sure that the Kyle what's his name tragedy would simply not have happened if none of those involved had a firearm. Pretty sure Kyle would have stayed at home for fear of being beaten up..

Australia had a mass shooting in 1996 at Port Arthur Tasmania. The lone gunman killed 35 people and wounded 24. Within weeks my government had passed bipartisan laws restricting gun ownership in Australia. If you are an urbanite, as 85% of us are, it's now almost impossible to legally own and keep a fire arm in your house.

Since 1996, there have been no mass shootings in Australia. Even our armed robbers rarely carry guns.(too expensive on the black market)  they tend to use bladed, or pointy tools. 

There has never been a school shooting in Australia.

There is a clear correlation of guns an gun related deaths. That doesn't necessarily mean the connection is causal. However  I'm far more convinced of that than any of the fatuous slogans put out by the NRA.

One more point; as an outsider, seems to me that the role of the NRA is to protect the gun industry.  It is not about the second amendment rights of its members based on the self serving, wilful misinterpretation of the US Second Amendment.

[onlinebiker]

You are a specialist who knows a couple guns. No shame in that.

But you are not a firearm expert.

[The Architect Of Fate]

You are a specialist who knows a couple guns. No shame in that.

But you are not a firearm expert.

He doesn't need to be 

---

Bullshit 

Bullshit.


Bullshit.

Never did " the gun just went off".

There is ALWAYS some negligent prick involved 99.99999%.of the time with his booger hook on the trigger.

You obviously have no real experience with firearms. I have NEVER seen in over 50 years of gun handling and ownership - nor in my time selling guns or working on them for customers - a gun spontaneously fire. The ONLY one I have heard of - and known examples are very rare - less than 5 known - was a malfunction with the safety on Remington 700 rifles - AND THOSE still required a person to disengage the safety.

Literally 1 in billions odds.

"No real experience---" is an ad hominem fallacy.

As it turns out, I've had a bit of experience with firearms, in the army: Our Basic weapon was the7.62 rifle in which I was rated marksman. Plus F1 submachine gun (piece of shit), Plus M60 machine gun, M26, M36 grenades.  Have fired all of those weapons.  Plus in Malaysia the Armalite, Bren and Carl Gustav anti tank. (never fired the Carl Gustav)

I have never allowed firearms on my property. My issue with civilians with guns is a combination of their stupidity and the immediacy of a gun. You are 80% more likely to shoot yourself than anyone else. Or perhaps your toddler will get hold of your gun and shoot himself or a sibling.

I'm reasonably sure that the Kyle what's his name tragedy would simply not have happened if none of those involved had a firearm. Pretty sure Kyle would have stayed at home for fear of being beaten up..

Australia had a mass shooting in 1996 at Port Arthur Tasmania. The lone gunman killed 35 people and wounded 24. Within weeks my government had passed bipartisan laws restricting gun ownership in Australia. If you are an urbanite, as 85% of us are, it's now almost impossible to legally own and keep a fire arm in your house.

Since 1996, there have been no mass shootings in Australia. Even our armed robbers rarely carry guns.(too expensive on the black market)  they tend to use bladed, or pointy tools. 

There has never been a school shooting in Australia.

There is a clear correlation of guns an gun related deaths. That doesn't necessarily mean the connection is causal. However  I'm far more convinced of that than any of the fatuous slogans put out by the NRA.

One more point; as an outsider, seems to me that the role of the NRA is to protect the gun industry.  It is not about the second amendment rights of its members based on the self serving, wilful misinterpretation of the US Second Amendment.

Impressive 

[Oldandeasilyconfused]

You are a specialist who knows a couple guns. No shame in that.

But you are not a firearm expert.

Never claimed to be an expert. I only claim to be familiar with a few weapons. Civilians with guns still frighten the shit out of  me.

I remain convinced that in order to minimise gun deaths, we the people, who are sheep, should not be allowed near firearms.

Looking at gun deaths in countries with tough gun laws, I honestly cannot see another reason for far fewer deaths.

[onlinebiker]

You are a specialist who knows a couple guns. No shame in that.

But you are not a firearm expert.

Never claimed to be an expert. I only claim to be familiar with a few weapons. Civilians with guns still frighten the shit out of  me.

I remain convinced that in order to minimise gun deaths, we the people, who are sheep, should not be allowed near firearms.

Looking at gun deaths in countries with tough gun laws, I honestly cannot see another reason for far fewer deaths.

Odd... I did seven years in the service - and EVERY member I met - of all branches - was a civilian to start with and 99.9 % became civilians again. ( knew a couple who died).

Additionally - every cop I know started off as civilians - 
and I hope to see them all become one again at retirement.

So what' s the magic? What fairy dust do they sprinkle on these guys that makes them trustworthy?