Russia and Ukraine

[Leonardo17]

But Hitler is also known for restoring some pagan rituals and holidays as a way of bringing the German people closer to its roots in pre-Christian Antiquity.

Let's see your examples and sources. Be specific on both counts.

What pagan rituals did Hitler "restore" (pardon the pun)?

What sources do you have supporting those claims?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_..._of_Nazism
 
Go to the part on “Thule Society” and then you can scroll downward.
 
While I have just learned that Adolf Hitler was mostly “innocent” (He seems to be an individual who is not so involved with occult issues), others around him like Himmler seem to be deep into some German-Paganist style Golden Dawn type of Occultism (as far as I understand it). This Wewelsburg Castle seem to be an administrative center for the SS where such rituals seem to have taken place:
 https://www.cambridge.org/core/books/abs...7FB165010B
 
On the issue of public festival:
 
That was something I remembered from some Discovery Chanel documentaries. But you seem to have corrected me on this one too. Hitler did not really restore any Pagan Festival. He even seems to be promoting what is called “German Christianity”. So sorry for not knowing
 
What I can still say is that (just like Mussolini) he emphasized on a national identity that is based in antiquity with an idea of superiority based on the past glory of his people.

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Ildar Dadin, a 42 year old anti-war activist died on the front fighting for the independence of Ukraine.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/russian-activ...12548.html

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Drones are now killing other drones (interesting video footage):

 Business Insider

[Leonardo17]

   I still believe that reading them or having read them is not always the same thing. Just as a personal note: I stopped being interested in the subject as I became more and more spiritual. So I’m going to repeat this story:
 

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“There was one this student who wanted his master to teach him how to walk on water. So his master gave him a few mantras to repeat at certain times of the day. Than the student used these mantras as instructed and became able to walk on water and cross the river by foot. Than somebody told him: - If you had given a few rupees to one of the fisherman one of them would have carried you across the river without any of the efforts that you have committed to this until now”  
 
   Many Yogis describe the Occult as some sort of forgotten technology. (Yaggadish Vassudev has a few youtube Videos on that). But the main thing in our age is that we can use the telephone instead of telepathy, medicine instead of magic and smart bombs or hacked beepers instead of voodoo dolls. It’s a matter of efficiency
 
   But on a personal level and by this I don’t mean those who read stuff out of curiosity, I sort of match this kind of stuff very well with extremely self-involved who thing they are better than everyone else or have an ideology that is designed to remake and save the world in a manner that is based on some Ego-based ideology.
 

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   On the other hand: There was a public fascination with these ideologies from many writers, movie-makers or event documentary series. So some facts were probably exaggerated. But Hitler is also known for restoring some pagan rituals and holidays as a way of bringing the German people closer to its roots in pre-Christian Antiquity. That was the romantic side of Nazism. But yes, my Wolfenstein 4D type of theory on Nazi Occultism seems to be a little exaggerated.

"I stopped being interested in the subject as I became more and more spiritual."

When I ask ten people what "spiritual" means, I get ten different answers.

What's your take?

That’s a different subject.
 
There once was a student who wanted to learn to walk on water. So he went to his Guru and told him “I want to learn how to walk on water”. Then his Guru gave him some meditations and some mantras to repeat every day. So at some point he really was able to walk on water. And he even crossed a nearby river by walking on it on foot. Then somebody told him “If you just had given a few rupees to one of the fishermen on the shore of the river, they would have carried you across that river of yours”.
 
So what I mean is that, smart people don’t spend time on things like telepathy when you can simply write an E-mail. That’s not what we do at least.
 
But yes, I used to be fascinated by the course of events in Carlos Castaneda books. But not anymore. Today I mostly focus on increasing my spiritual awareness and understanding. I don’t know if I can go into this subject under this thread. Bu you can read some of my comment in the “Islam” part of this forum.

[arewethereyet]

"I stopped being interested in the subject as I became more and more spiritual."

When I ask ten people what "spiritual" means, I get ten different answers.

What's your take?

That’s a different subject.
 
There once was a student who wanted to learn to walk on water. So he went to his Guru and told him “I want to learn how to walk on water”. Then his Guru gave him some meditations and some mantras to repeat every day. So at some point he really was able to walk on water. And he even crossed a nearby river by walking on it on foot. Then somebody told him “If you just had given a few rupees to one of the fishermen on the shore of the river, they would have carried you across that river of yours”.
 
So what I mean is that, smart people don’t spend time on things like telepathy when you can simply write an E-mail. That’s not what we do at least.
 
But yes, I used to be fascinated by the course of events in Carlos Castaneda books. But not anymore. Today I mostly focus on increasing my spiritual awareness and understanding. I don’t know if I can go into this subject under this thread. Bu you can read some of my comment in the “Islam” part of this forum.

A different subject indeed.  Perhaps take it elsewhere and out of the Russia and Ukraine thread.  Please do make some effort at staying on topic.

Let's try to get back on topic, shall we?

[Thumpalumpacus]

While I have just learned that Adolf Hitler was mostly “innocent” (He seems to be an individual who is not so involved with occult issues), others around him like Himmler seem to be deep into some German-Paganist style Golden Dawn type of Occultism (as far as I understand it).

This is what I and others have been telling you. Don't trust pop history.

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

So, this whole Russia-Ukraine thing…kind of a kerfuffle, that is.

Boru

[pocaracas]

So, this whole Russia-Ukraine thing…kind of a kerfuffle, that is.

Boru

I wonder how it's going to end up...

[The Grand Nudger]

It'll end up in a devastated russia and stronger ukraine even if the lines on the map move. There's a significant portion of the russian public who support or supported the war with eyes wide open. As a smash and grab. They believed the russian admins outright lies and rosy predictions. The hope that anything will be gained by russia from the occupation of ukraine went down the shitter long ago. There wasn't enough in ukraine to cover the now bloated expense of getting it before the russians destroyed everything in their aoc.

A consequence for ukraine will be a generational up-armament. Something like a european north korea. If domestic production can exceed their cautious goals then maybe something more like a european us. Either way, ukraines immediate post-war future is in weapons development.

[Pat Mustard]

While I have just learned that Adolf Hitler was mostly “innocent” (He seems to be an individual who is not so involved with occult issues), others around him like Himmler seem to be deep into some German-Paganist style Golden Dawn type of Occultism (as far as I understand it).

Stop reading David Irving.

[Thumpalumpacus]

Russian forces continue to use chemical weapons in Ukraine in a continued apparent violation of the Chemical Weapons Convention (CWC), to which Russia is a party. The Ukrainian Support Forces Command reported on October 8 that Russian forces continue to use K-51 and RG-VO grenade launchers to launch munitions containing harmful but not necessarily lethal riot control agents (RCA), which are prohibited in combat by the CWC.[24] The Ukrainian Support Forces Command reported that there have been 250 cases of Russian forces using munitions containing unknown types of dangerous chemical agents in Ukraine in September 2024. The Ukrainian Support Forces Command reported that Russian chemical weapons use has been systematic since February 2023 and that as of September 24 Ukraine has recorded Russian forces using munitions equipped with chemical weapons 4,228 times. ISW has consistently reported on increasingly common instances of Russian forces using chemical substances in combat that are banned by the CWC.[25]

https://www.understandingwar.org/backgro...ct-updates

[Mister Agenda]

A consequence for ukraine will be a generational up-armament.  Something like a european north korea.  If domestic production can exceed their cautious goals then maybe something more like a european us.  Either way, ukraines immediate post-war future is in weapons development.

Since the treaty under which they gave up their nukes wasn't worth the paper it was printed on, if I were them, I'd build more nukes. They know how and it's the only deterrant Putin respects.